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(August 13th, 2013, 04:03)Kurumi Wrote: NUMBERS NO ?
what do you mean?
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(August 13th, 2013, 04:46)suttree Wrote: No diplo is hard 
I'd love the chance to help out with Pacal - count me a dedlurker. What will you pick if Native America is taken? Sorry if I'm rehashing stuff you've already talked about....
Talking myself through things:
AGRICULTURE
is a must to maximize food hammers given Pacal EXP worker bonus.
MINING
I assume you pick your civ last, so China will be gone, ruling out mining.
HUNTING
The best argument for hunting is that it gives +2b/t towards AH, worth maybe 22b. I don't think that's enough, so rule out hunting.
THE WHEEL
Would be ideal in the absence of other resource tiles, but at least one of the fish or sheep are desirable so you can share out food to the second city. Early pottery demands early BW in order to cash out the food doubling of the granary - you won't have time to research additional worker techs. Factor in the absence of riverside grassland tiles and pottery before BW loses a great deal of it's appeal. BW by itself is already great with EXP.
FISHING
Oxy's micro as already discussed.
MYSTICISM
If you can get Inca, sure 
Let's say both Native America and the Dutch are taken - I think the real question is if it's worth taking a civ like America solely for the starting techs. To provoke debate, I'm tempted to say that it is.
With the capitol shown, there doesn't seem to be much benefit to early vertical growth. So do what Pacal does best, whip, go horizontal like a mf, rush currency, slot in HBR somewhere and you're golden. With a single resource, a chop, and a few cottages every city is profitable and productive in no time. The effect of most UU/UB (unless you could build terraces or something  ) is minimal on a plan like that. Devil's advocate says Zulu, maybe, but I think you guys are the team to beat.
Welcome aboard Suttree. PM you the team email
I'm with Agriculture-Fishing. If Native and Dutch are taken, well, we'll see
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(August 13th, 2013, 09:16)Oxyphenbutazone Wrote: Snake pick is about to start, last chance for anybody who doesn't want Pacal to speak up I'm in with Pacal
Kurumi, you agree with Pacal?
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(August 13th, 2013, 09:53)HBHR Wrote: (August 13th, 2013, 09:16)Oxyphenbutazone Wrote: Snake pick is about to start, last chance for anybody who doesn't want Pacal to speak up I'm in with Pacal
Kurumi, you agree with Pacal?
Yes!
Yeah, I'm not happy about my past behaviour either. 
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Just as we were about to beat out LP's thread in posts, WilliamLP posted again! We obviously need to DOW them immediately once we meet them!!!!
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Wait, that last post made us even again
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(August 13th, 2013, 11:25)Oxyphenbutazone Wrote: Just as we were about to beat out LP's thread in posts, WilliamLP posted again! We obviously need to DOW them immediately once we meet them!!!!
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(August 13th, 2013, 11:18)Kurumi Wrote: (August 13th, 2013, 09:53)HBHR Wrote: (August 13th, 2013, 09:16)Oxyphenbutazone Wrote: Snake pick is about to start, last chance for anybody who doesn't want Pacal to speak up I'm in with Pacal
Kurumi, you agree with Pacal?
Yes!
So i think we can now advertise our pick in the forum. Oxy, can you do it, please?
August 13th, 2013, 11:37
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Done, the game hasn't started yet and we already have the best leader in the game   
Btw, if we do get pick America, I want the thread name to be:
Team Eagles and Condors play Pacal of America: an Experiment in Extremes
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