Ahhh - it happened ! 
Faster than I planned ... but this is ...
Here is the ultimatum which Luddite give to us ( I assume yesterday - because war isn't yet declared ) :
And here is a ... hmmm ... counter-proposal which Macedon made to him ... :
... which I don't belive it will works ... and anyway Luddite wants more :
I'll put also a picture with opposing forces :
- 6 vultures ( from which 3 with basic combat promotion ) and 1 chariot in nearby location ...
against our :
- 2 axemans ( one fortified ) + an already whipped spearman ( to protect against his chariot-attack ) + 1 chariot "in line" ( which could attack his stack - but will fight with equal odds against his chariot ).
Another unit could be whipped in Lupu next turn - could be another axeman.
This will put us in something like 3 axemans + 1 spearman agains 6 full-heal vultures ( considering the worst case scenario in which we will lost our eastern chariot to his ). It's likely that we will win at least one vulture vs. axeman combat ( odds ar 6 + 25% = 7.5 against 5 + 50% = 7.5 ) - so he will remain with 3 vultures which went in combat, survived but will remain on top of the hill + 1 which will ocuppy the city ( possible raze it ? ) + another available to move one : not very hard to mop with our weastern chariots both of them if they will be in Lupu's location ... hmmm, not so bad actually ...
In the best situation we will win 2 axeman vs. vultures fights ... but let's not dream on too much ...
I'm actually considering to switch from spearman to another chariot to be "on line" next turn. Why ?
Spearman vs. vulture chances suck anyway ... is almost clear just a "plain lost battle" - similar with chariot vs. axeman chances which he try to prevent ...
If he will attack right next turn with his chariot will be a 50% - 50% fight. Then :
1. Best scenario : we win - which will be absolutely great because will let his vulture vulnerable to an attack in good odds with our chariot and reduce their numbers to 5 against 3 axeman and one ( probably badly wounded ) chariot. One axeman vs. vulture victory and even if we will lose Lupu ... his stack will be likely to be mopped-out next turns. Actually it even could be possible to not lose Lupu at all !
2. Medium scenario : we lose but his chariot will be badly wounded and not usable as attack force in the "main attack round". This will still let his vulture-stack vulnerable to an attack from easten-chariot ... so it's now a 3 axeman to 5 vultures scenario. 1 axeman vs vulture win ... and again there will be 3 wounded vultures on the hill + one in (ex-)Lupu location ... not to bad to start the mop-up procedure.
3. Worse scenario : we will lose badly and his chariot will still be able to attack in "main attack round" - in this case a spearman could be whipped instead of axeman ... but still our eastern-chariot could perform an attack to try to let just 5 vultures alive.
What if he will not attack with his chariot but will protect his vulture-stack ?
In this case we could launch two attacks against the stack before his main attack ( first from east ). Hopefully we will lose just the chariot vs. chariot one and win chariot vs. vulture one so this will let 5 full-healead vultures against 3 axeman + 1 wounded chariot ( or 2 axemans + 1 spearman + the wounded chariot if his chariot will still be a threat as fighting force ). Still "moppable" IMHO ...
Faster than I planned ... but this is ...
Here is the ultimatum which Luddite give to us ( I assume yesterday - because war isn't yet declared ) :
Quote:So, now you can see my army outside of Lupu. That's not all of it either- I have more units following right after. And from your power graph, I can guess that you have very few units right now.
I don't think it's possible for you to save Lupu, if I attack. I have too many units, and can reinforce quickly with ships.
If you don't want to lose Lupu, my offer is that you should give me your eastern cities, and let me settle all the land south of Lupu. If you don't agree then I can still take those cities, but you'll also lose Lupu, and maybe everything.
Another thing- you can see my settler in the north. I'm going to settle the silver. If you'll agree to peace, I'll give you that silver for the rest of the game. Otherwise I'll just keep it for myself.
Sincerely,
Luddite
And here is a ... hmmm ... counter-proposal which Macedon made to him ... :
Quote:Hi,
I see that Ioan sent a mail to you, indeed your power is biger but mine is not yet updated, and personaly i think you will nothing just some gold from plundering 1 maybe 2 of my cities because there is no way yo can keep those.And the other ones i will be sure that will not pass size 1 so will auto raze if you'll manage to get there.
So i will be sure your winigs will be minimal.But you made your point. So there is my offer:
-i will gift you my gems ivory city
-you will not setle the silver city on my land
- you can have all the land behind the gem ciy.
NAP until turn 140.
You think good , you can win something or win nothing.I know you can reinforce quick but not as quick i can do that.
regards,
Mackoti
... which I don't belive it will works ... and anyway Luddite wants more :
Quote:You'll have to give me the corn/pigs city too (and the land below it). But I could agree to the rest of your offer.
I'll put also a picture with opposing forces :
- 6 vultures ( from which 3 with basic combat promotion ) and 1 chariot in nearby location ...
against our :
- 2 axemans ( one fortified ) + an already whipped spearman ( to protect against his chariot-attack ) + 1 chariot "in line" ( which could attack his stack - but will fight with equal odds against his chariot ).
Another unit could be whipped in Lupu next turn - could be another axeman.
This will put us in something like 3 axemans + 1 spearman agains 6 full-heal vultures ( considering the worst case scenario in which we will lost our eastern chariot to his ). It's likely that we will win at least one vulture vs. axeman combat ( odds ar 6 + 25% = 7.5 against 5 + 50% = 7.5 ) - so he will remain with 3 vultures which went in combat, survived but will remain on top of the hill + 1 which will ocuppy the city ( possible raze it ? ) + another available to move one : not very hard to mop with our weastern chariots both of them if they will be in Lupu's location ... hmmm, not so bad actually ...
In the best situation we will win 2 axeman vs. vultures fights ... but let's not dream on too much ...
I'm actually considering to switch from spearman to another chariot to be "on line" next turn. Why ?
Spearman vs. vulture chances suck anyway ... is almost clear just a "plain lost battle" - similar with chariot vs. axeman chances which he try to prevent ...
If he will attack right next turn with his chariot will be a 50% - 50% fight. Then :
1. Best scenario : we win - which will be absolutely great because will let his vulture vulnerable to an attack in good odds with our chariot and reduce their numbers to 5 against 3 axeman and one ( probably badly wounded ) chariot. One axeman vs. vulture victory and even if we will lose Lupu ... his stack will be likely to be mopped-out next turns. Actually it even could be possible to not lose Lupu at all !
2. Medium scenario : we lose but his chariot will be badly wounded and not usable as attack force in the "main attack round". This will still let his vulture-stack vulnerable to an attack from easten-chariot ... so it's now a 3 axeman to 5 vultures scenario. 1 axeman vs vulture win ... and again there will be 3 wounded vultures on the hill + one in (ex-)Lupu location ... not to bad to start the mop-up procedure.
3. Worse scenario : we will lose badly and his chariot will still be able to attack in "main attack round" - in this case a spearman could be whipped instead of axeman ... but still our eastern-chariot could perform an attack to try to let just 5 vultures alive.
What if he will not attack with his chariot but will protect his vulture-stack ?
In this case we could launch two attacks against the stack before his main attack ( first from east ). Hopefully we will lose just the chariot vs. chariot one and win chariot vs. vulture one so this will let 5 full-healead vultures against 3 axeman + 1 wounded chariot ( or 2 axemans + 1 spearman + the wounded chariot if his chariot will still be a threat as fighting force ). Still "moppable" IMHO ...
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- but no victory from the other 2 axeman against his vultures ??? 
I should admit that this suprised me !! 
