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[Spoilers] Old Harry's Game

I had planned to spend the first post of my first spoiler thread describing a terrible strategy in great detail to manage expectations. But now that you can't see the first post from the forum view I guess I'll just put this here:

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So I'll wait until we get a screenshot before going into detail about leader and civ picks, but here is a list of my favourite traits:

- Fin
- Cre
- Spi

I know that Exp and Imp are supposed to be great, but I always end up accidentally spending food on workers, I never get my specialists working well enough to justify Phi and Org is just boring...

So I'll want Mansa or Willem, or maybe Hatty, Izzy, Joao, Sury or Vicky. But what if Pacal is available? Hmmm... Help!
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I am not a fan of Imp (and I actually don't think many at RB rate it very highly at all), and I personally like Exp more for that first worker and for the cheap granaries than cheap workers overall. I would personally go with Pacal first, but Willem and Mansa are also very good. I am not a huge fan of João unless you're opponents also don't have strong economic traits, and depending on your playstyle and the likelihood of grabbing the Pyramids, I would rank Gandhi and Peter above Lizzy and definitely above Vicky. Hatty is interesting-I am not sure where I would place her, probably about the same place Lizzy.

Just my opinions, of course.
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your pic doesn't work frown.

Glad to see another SPI fan out there, its my #2 behind FIN. Not a fan of CRE really though. I guess this is a small map though so it might be useful.
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The pic should be fixed now.banghead

I think I like SPI and CRE through laziness really - you don't have to put as much planning into a game if you know you can switch civics if you want and that your borders will pop automatically. If I put a bit more effort in than I normally do with single player perhaps EXP or PHI would be better.

I don't normally go for PHI as I've never had a strategy for using the Great People other than for golden ages. Having read a bit about GP here though I might try it again at some point nod

It sounds like tech trading will be off so my guess is that whoever goes first will take India, then FIN leaders will fall, so we'll see how the pick order pans out...
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I like SPI for the flexibility, but also it just opens up new strategies. If I'm not SPI, for instance, I don't find nationhood, CS, or pacificism to be reasonable civics outside of golden ages (and of course you don't want to be drafting in a golden age, so I never use nationhood if I'm not spiritual). But with spiritual, I can use 5 turns of nationhood/theocracy, draft myself into the ground, then switchout with a load of rifles while my cities wear off the draft-weariness. Or, doa 5 turn run of representation, CS, and pacifism if I need a great person or two smile. and there are a lot more little things like that (switching religions on for temporary gain) that just aren't feasible for non-spiritual civs - the rules of the game are just completely different smile.

FIN & SPI are really the only two civs that have benefits in early, mid, and late game. Neither have the quick early boost of EXP and CRE, but those two just aren't that useful anymore 100 turns into the game. imo.

are you picking last?
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You're right - it's flexibility not laziness!

Pick order isn't determined yet, still working out time slots. But yeah, Mansa is probably my first choice (until we see the starts at least). I'll be coming to you for advice on leveraging SPI if I get him...
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(November 8th, 2012, 06:36)Old Harry Wrote: You're right - it's flexibility not laziness!

Pick order isn't determined yet, still working out time slots. But yeah, Mansa is probably my first choice (until we see the starts at least). I'll be coming to you for advice on leveraging SPI if I get him...

sure, I'll be here. Can't promise I'll be as helpful as you are in pb8, though wink.
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Since I dropped out of the game I figured I'd come over and dedlurk.
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Welcome in, shame you couldn't play - to be honest I've got a pretty irregular schedule too, but thought that I could be pretty sure to play at midnight. I don't think that's going to help the quality of my game, so I'm sure I'll be asking for a lot of advice here!
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