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[no players] Warsighs of the Newb: An Experiment in Lurking.

#61
May 18th, 2013, 13:13
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Statement: Kuro is going to get banned from anything that isn't a green game if he doesn't want to learn, because he can't provide reasonable competition, and so will pretty much anyone else who plays the same way.

Anyone agree or disagree with that statement, or want ot add qualifiers.
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#62
May 18th, 2013, 13:19
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Kuro is Mark Sanchez. The first 50 turns of 21 were his first two seasons and now we're seeing the rest.
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#63
May 18th, 2013, 13:22
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It will be easier to see your mistakes after the game.
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May 18th, 2013, 13:24 (This post was last modified: May 18th, 2013, 13:27 by Merovech.)
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(May 18th, 2013, 13:13)Krill Wrote: Statement: Kuro is going to get banned from anything that isn't a green game if he doesn't want to learn, because he can't provide reasonable competition, and so will pretty much anyone else who plays the same way.

Anyone agree or disagree with that statement, or want ot add qualifiers.

For now, I disagree. He might still play a blinder excluding this start. Besides, I think that if someone were to show him the math behind this start, he might accept it. That would be crossing even my line in terms of help from a non-dedicated lurker, however, nevermind Sullla's line. In other words, I don't yet agree with "doesn't want to learn."
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#65
May 18th, 2013, 13:37
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(May 18th, 2013, 13:22)Jowy Wrote: It will be easier to see your mistakes after the game.

I'd agree more enthusiastically, but if you can't see that a wet corn and grass forest deer are a better investment than a coastal fish on T0, then I wouldn't hold out much hope for the future.
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#66
May 18th, 2013, 13:48
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I doubt he'll learn. And I predict that even if you would show him the math he would give you reasons why his way makes more sense. You pretty much would have to start to explain to him first how to value food, hammers and commerce at the start. And quite honestly, if he isn't understanding that investing 30 hammers into a workboat instead of improving the wet corn makes no sense, I doubt he'll understand different valuation.
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#67
May 18th, 2013, 17:42
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It's not so easy to learn just by looking back on a game, since you've made so many decisions between starting a game and not winning it. Analysis is required.

In Kuro's case, he said his opening game was good, and that he usually didn't have any problems until the midgame. Of course, that's when you really start to notice the effect of playing a bad opening. smile
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#68
May 18th, 2013, 20:33 (This post was last modified: May 18th, 2013, 20:36 by Lewwyn.)
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Looks like Azza is going to squeezed/attacked by both Molach and kurubandit. The dude has 0 luck.

(May 16th, 2013, 23:56)Azza Wrote: Generally the benefits outweigh the loss of settling on turn 0.

Except when you move closer to two opponents. lol
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May 19th, 2013, 02:27
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(May 18th, 2013, 21:29)Kuro Wrote: [Image: Civ4ScreenShot0270_zps7d482f7b.jpg]

How is "Too hard to defend" even a question?
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#70
May 19th, 2013, 02:34
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It is obvious from the picture whether the rice is dry or wet.
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