Pitboss 11: Post-game thread

[Oxyphenbutazone]

Ha, Oxy...You know how broke we were. Remember that gold gift? Or was it a loan, I don't remember....

If anyone thought we were demanding tribute at one point, it was us begging for gold before our beautiful cataphract corps decided to desert en masse. That would have been regrettable, I'm sure all but two of you would agree!

Vaugely, I think I was trying to gain a friend to the northeast to stop suttree from eating me. That was back when I was valuing survival over having fun.

Weirdly I enjoyed this game to the end, I guess it was the novelty of running around with knights and cats to everyone else's tanks and infantry.

[spacetyrantxenu]

I didn't have tanks or infantry. I'm not sure if I made it to 100 cats or not either. Wrap up empire post obviously required!

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Ha, Oxy...You know how broke we were. Remember that gold gift? Or was it a loan, I don't remember....

If anyone thought we were demanding tribute at one point, it was us begging for gold before our beautiful cataphract corps decided to desert en masse. That would have been regrettable, I'm sure all but two of you would agree!

Vaugely, I think I was trying to gain a friend to the northeast to stop suttree from eating me. That was back when I was valuing survival over having fun.

Weirdly I enjoyed this game to the end, I guess it was the novelty of running around with knights and cats to everyone else's tanks and infantry.

We were in the same boat, our knights just rocked a little harder. At one point we really thought that you were going to invade suttree. We were ready to come in from the other side. Major sadness that that never happened.

[WilliamLP]

Preview Oh One More Thing: WilliamLP, thanks for the railroads!

Sure! I was even going to give your workers back next turn. I wanted to signal a sort of alliance, and if Retep had declared on you I was probably going to get involved in the proxy war by gifting machine guns and infantry and artillery and making sure you could move your stuff to defend in time.

I think Retep (and some of you other guys as well) are better at peacetime micro than me but my thinking was that all I had to do was stay passive and the land lead in the SP / Workshop / Caste late game could carry me eventually with Org and Cristo up for emergencies. So all I really wanted was stability and for anyone attacking to find themselves in quagmire. It's a boring way to play but I kind of like boring games.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Obviously it was a good plan. ORG really is a great trait. And CR, I'm not sure how we forgot to ban that one.

[spacetyrantxenu]

Probably because no one expected to make it to the modern age in a greens game.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Now that this game is over, I can probably change my avatar back to something a little more positive.

[Commodore]

Good game all! Awesome to see some powerful performances out of you all. Your "Green" selves would beat the pants off of PB12's lot. Sorry for giving you all what you asked for good and hard with the map; next time I'd balance a bit more. Particularly you, Kuro, I read that land as being in galley range to the northwest.
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Now that this game is over, I can probably change my avatar back to something a little more positive.

[wetbandit]

Neglected to congratulate WilliamLP on the victory. Congrats!

And thanks to Commodore for making the map, which definitely prejudiced me and was the sole reason why I lost, just like everyone else.

I paused the game in case anyone wants to take pictures.

[spacetyrantxenu]

Map Fairness Scoring:

Excluding islands:

Total map unfairness (standard deviation in weighted land quality): 1543
Player 0
Hannibal of Persia
93 land tiles.
(43 grass, 46 plains, 4 deserts, 0 tundra, 0 snow. 33 forests, 6 jungles, 0 flood plains, 0 oasis. 15 hills.)
846.5 total land quality.
9.10 average land quality.
166.0 total food potential.
1.78 food per non-ocean tile.
109.0 total hammer potential.
1.17 hammers per non-ocean tile.
105.5 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

4 strategic resources (1 iron, 1 horse, 2 ivory).
3 happy resources (1 gold, 2 ivory).
8 food resources (4 cow, 1 rice, 1 wheat, 2 corn).
8 health resources (4 cow, 1 rice, 1 wheat, 2 corn).
Player 1
Kublai_khan of Rome
144 land tiles.
(57 grass, 68 plains, 15 deserts, 4 tundra, 0 snow. 48 forests, 0 jungles, 5 flood plains, 0 oasis. 22 hills.)
1320.5 total land quality.
9.17 average land quality.
240.0 total food potential.
1.67 food per non-ocean tile.
152.0 total hammer potential.
1.06 hammers per non-ocean tile.
214.5 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

4 strategic resources (1 uranium, 2 horse, 1 iron).
2 happy resources (1 spices, 1 gold).
11 food resources (2 corn, 4 cow, 1 wheat, 2 deer, 1 rice, 1 sheep).
12 health resources (2 corn, 1 spices, 4 cow, 1 wheat, 2 deer, 1 rice, 1 sheep).
Player 2
Huayna_capac of Russia
238 land tiles.
(138 grass, 82 plains, 18 deserts, 0 tundra, 0 snow. 75 forests, 50 jungles, 8 flood plains, 1 oasis. 37 hills.)
2135.5 total land quality.
8.97 average land quality.
444.0 total food potential.
1.87 food per non-ocean tile.
231.0 total hammer potential.
0.97 hammers per non-ocean tile.
356.5 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

12 strategic resources (3 horse, 3 ivory, 2 aluminum, 2 iron, 1 oil, 1 copper).
14 happy resources (3 ivory, 2 wine, 3 dye, 3 silk, 2 spices, 1 sugar).
11 food resources (5 cow, 3 corn, 1 banana, 1 rice, 1 sugar).
15 health resources (2 wine, 5 cow, 3 corn, 2 spices, 1 banana, 1 rice, 1 sugar).
Player 3
Gandhi of Netherlands
224 land tiles.
(98 grass, 82 plains, 44 deserts, 0 tundra, 0 snow. 56 forests, 23 jungles, 5 flood plains, 2 oasis. 52 hills.)
1781.5 total land quality.
7.95 average land quality.
335.0 total food potential.
1.50 food per non-ocean tile.
267.0 total hammer potential.
1.19 hammers per non-ocean tile.
280.5 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

13 strategic resources (2 aluminum, 3 coal, 1 iron, 1 horse, 3 copper, 1 uranium, 2 oil).
8 happy resources (2 gems, 1 gold, 3 wine, 2 incense).
14 food resources (3 cow, 2 wheat, 4 corn, 3 banana, 1 rice, 1 sheep).
17 health resources (3 cow, 2 wheat, 4 corn, 3 banana, 3 wine, 1 rice, 1 sheep).
Player 4
Joao of Portugal
129 land tiles.
(25 grass, 20 plains, 3 deserts, 13 tundra, 68 snow. 20 forests, 0 jungles, 1 flood plains, 0 oasis. 25 hills.)
541.5 total land quality.
4.20 average land quality.
115.0 total food potential.
0.89 food per non-ocean tile.
59.0 total hammer potential.
0.46 hammers per non-ocean tile.
50.5 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

11 strategic resources (2 uranium, 3 iron, 3 copper, 1 oil, 1 marble, 1 coal).
6 happy resources (1 silk, 3 fur, 2 silver).
6 food resources (2 corn, 1 cow, 2 deer, 1 wheat).
6 health resources (2 corn, 1 cow, 2 deer, 1 wheat).
Player 5
De_gaulle of Byzantium
80 land tiles.
(62 grass, 12 plains, 6 deserts, 0 tundra, 0 snow. 21 forests, 17 jungles, 0 flood plains, 0 oasis. 15 hills.)
702.5 total land quality.
8.78 average land quality.
143.0 total food potential.
1.79 food per non-ocean tile.
76.0 total hammer potential.
0.95 hammers per non-ocean tile.
125.5 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

5 strategic resources (2 coal, 1 horse, 1 uranium, 1 iron).
1 happy resources (1 spices).
7 food resources (3 rice, 3 cow, 1 deer).
8 health resources (3 rice, 3 cow, 1 spices, 1 deer).
Player 6
Mehmed of Arabia
148 land tiles.
(112 grass, 25 plains, 11 deserts, 0 tundra, 0 snow. 33 forests, 52 jungles, 0 flood plains, 0 oasis. 24 hills.)
1349.0 total land quality.
9.11 average land quality.
300.0 total food potential.
2.03 food per non-ocean tile.
114.0 total hammer potential.
0.77 hammers per non-ocean tile.
218.0 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

6 strategic resources (1 copper, 2 iron, 1 horse, 2 oil).
12 happy resources (5 sugar, 2 spices, 2 dye, 1 silk, 1 gold, 1 gems).
16 food resources (5 sugar, 3 corn, 3 banana, 1 pig, 1 rice, 2 cow, 1 wheat).
18 health resources (5 sugar, 3 corn, 3 banana, 2 spices, 1 pig, 1 rice, 2 cow, 1 wheat).
Player 7
Augustus of China
83 land tiles.
(36 grass, 25 plains, 22 deserts, 0 tundra, 0 snow. 21 forests, 0 jungles, 3 flood plains, 1 oasis. 18 hills.)
668.0 total land quality.
8.05 average land quality.
116.0 total food potential.
1.40 food per non-ocean tile.
94.0 total hammer potential.
1.13 hammers per non-ocean tile.
105.0 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

6 strategic resources (1 marble, 1 stone, 1 horse, 1 oil, 1 coal, 1 uranium).
3 happy resources (1 gold, 1 silk, 1 incense).
5 food resources (2 cow, 1 rice, 2 wheat).
5 health resources (2 cow, 1 rice, 2 wheat).
Player 8
Asoka of England
144 land tiles.
(87 grass, 41 plains, 8 deserts, 8 tundra, 0 snow. 42 forests, 27 jungles, 0 flood plains, 0 oasis. 28 hills.)
1285.5 total land quality.
8.93 average land quality.
263.0 total food potential.
1.83 food per non-ocean tile.
147.0 total hammer potential.
1.02 hammers per non-ocean tile.
191.5 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

9 strategic resources (2 coal, 2 horse, 2 copper, 1 iron, 1 ivory, 1 oil).
4 happy resources (1 fur, 1 gems, 1 ivory, 1 dye).
15 food resources (4 pig, 2 deer, 2 wheat, 2 sheep, 3 rice, 1 banana, 1 corn).
15 health resources (4 pig, 2 deer, 2 wheat, 2 sheep, 3 rice, 1 banana, 1 corn).
Player 9
Frederick of France
92 land tiles.
(47 grass, 35 plains, 7 deserts, 3 tundra, 0 snow. 35 forests, 0 jungles, 4 flood plains, 0 oasis. 19 hills.)
973.0 total land quality.
10.58 average land quality.
179.0 total food potential.
1.95 food per non-ocean tile.
112.0 total hammer potential.
1.22 hammers per non-ocean tile.
105.0 total commerce potential.
0 coastal tiles.
0 ocean tiles.

5 strategic resources (1 ivory, 1 horse, 1 coal, 1 oil, 1 iron).
2 happy resources (1 ivory, 1 silk).
8 food resources (4 cow, 1 corn, 1 deer, 1 sheep, 1 wheat).
8 health resources (4 cow, 1 corn, 1 deer, 1 sheep, 1 wheat).

Including islands:

Total map unfairness (standard deviation in weighted land quality): 2999
Player 0
Hannibal of Persia
111 land tiles.
(61 grass, 46 plains, 4 deserts, 0 tundra, 0 snow. 36 forests, 19 jungles, 0 flood plains, 0 oasis. 20 hills.)
1575.5 total land quality.
7.40 average land quality.
611.0 total food potential.
2.87 food per non-ocean tile.
127.0 total hammer potential.
0.60 hammers per non-ocean tile.
468.5 total commerce potential.
102 coastal tiles.
137 ocean tiles.

5 strategic resources (1 oil, 1 iron, 1 horse, 2 ivory).
4 happy resources (1 gold, 1 sugar, 2 ivory).
22 food resources (7 clam, 5 fish, 4 cow, 2 rice, 1 sugar, 1 wheat, 2 corn).
22 health resources (7 clam, 5 fish, 4 cow, 2 rice, 1 sugar, 1 wheat, 2 corn).
Player 1
Kublai_khan of Rome
155 land tiles.
(57 grass, 68 plains, 15 deserts, 4 tundra, 11 snow. 48 forests, 0 jungles, 5 flood plains, 0 oasis. 24 hills.)
1694.5 total land quality.
7.30 average land quality.
485.5 total food potential.
2.09 food per non-ocean tile.
153.0 total hammer potential.
0.66 hammers per non-ocean tile.
439.5 total commerce potential.
77 coastal tiles.
69 ocean tiles.

6 strategic resources (3 iron, 1 uranium, 2 horse).
3 happy resources (1 spices, 1 whale, 1 gold).
19 food resources (2 crab, 1 clam, 2 corn, 4 cow, 4 fish, 1 wheat, 2 deer, 1 whale, 1 rice, 1 sheep).
19 health resources (2 crab, 1 clam, 2 corn, 1 spices, 4 cow, 4 fish, 1 wheat, 2 deer, 1 rice, 1 sheep).
Player 2
Huayna_capac of Russia
264 land tiles.
(147 grass, 87 plains, 24 deserts, 3 tundra, 3 snow. 81 forests, 50 jungles, 8 flood plains, 1 oasis. 41 hills.)
2831.0 total land quality.
7.53 average land quality.
872.5 total food potential.
2.32 food per non-ocean tile.
251.0 total hammer potential.
0.67 hammers per non-ocean tile.
735.0 total commerce potential.
112 coastal tiles.
129 ocean tiles.

13 strategic resources (3 horse, 3 ivory, 2 aluminum, 2 iron, 2 oil, 1 copper).
15 happy resources (3 ivory, 2 wine, 3 dye, 3 silk, 2 spices, 1 sugar, 1 whale).
23 food resources (3 clam, 5 cow, 3 corn, 1 banana, 1 rice, 7 fish, 1 sugar, 1 whale, 1 sheep).
26 health resources (3 clam, 2 wine, 5 cow, 3 corn, 2 spices, 1 banana, 1 rice, 7 fish, 1 sugar, 1 sheep).
Player 3
Gandhi of Netherlands
249 land tiles.
(98 grass, 85 plains, 44 deserts, 7 tundra, 15 snow. 60 forests, 23 jungles, 5 flood plains, 2 oasis. 56 hills.)
2074.5 total land quality.
6.56 average land quality.
532.5 total food potential.
1.69 food per non-ocean tile.
277.0 total hammer potential.
0.88 hammers per non-ocean tile.
468.5 total commerce potential.
67 coastal tiles.
48 ocean tiles.

15 strategic resources (2 aluminum, 3 coal, 2 iron, 1 horse, 3 copper, 1 uranium, 2 oil, 1 marble).
9 happy resources (2 gems, 1 gold, 3 wine, 2 incense, 1 silver).
19 food resources (3 cow, 2 wheat, 4 corn, 3 banana, 1 fish, 3 crab, 1 rice, 2 sheep).
22 health resources (3 cow, 2 wheat, 4 corn, 3 banana, 3 wine, 1 fish, 3 crab, 1 rice, 2 sheep).
Player 4
Joao of Portugal
189 land tiles.
(35 grass, 30 plains, 7 deserts, 22 tundra, 95 snow. 34 forests, 0 jungles, 1 flood plains, 0 oasis. 40 hills.)
1802.5 total land quality.
4.90 average land quality.
941.0 total food potential.
2.56 food per non-ocean tile.
107.0 total hammer potential.
0.29 hammers per non-ocean tile.
733.5 total commerce potential.
179 coastal tiles.
292 ocean tiles.

16 strategic resources (4 copper, 4 iron, 2 coal, 2 marble, 2 uranium, 2 oil).
7 happy resources (1 silk, 1 whale, 3 fur, 2 silver).
31 food resources (5 crab, 12 fish, 1 sheep, 6 clam, 2 corn, 1 whale, 1 cow, 2 deer, 1 wheat).
30 health resources (5 crab, 12 fish, 1 sheep, 6 clam, 2 corn, 1 cow, 2 deer, 1 wheat).
Player 5
De_gaulle of Byzantium
85 land tiles.
(63 grass, 13 plains, 9 deserts, 0 tundra, 0 snow. 21 forests, 17 jungles, 0 flood plains, 0 oasis. 15 hills.)
972.5 total land quality.
6.40 average land quality.
300.5 total food potential.
1.98 food per non-ocean tile.
84.0 total hammer potential.
0.55 hammers per non-ocean tile.
290.5 total commerce potential.
67 coastal tiles.
26 ocean tiles.

7 strategic resources (1 copper, 1 stone, 2 coal, 1 horse, 1 uranium, 1 iron).
1 happy resources (1 spices).
12 food resources (5 clam, 3 rice, 3 cow, 1 deer).
13 health resources (5 clam, 3 rice, 3 cow, 1 spices, 1 deer).
Player 6
Mehmed of Arabia
238 land tiles.
(151 grass, 59 plains, 19 deserts, 8 tundra, 1 snow. 61 forests, 56 jungles, 0 flood plains, 0 oasis. 38 hills.)
2977.0 total land quality.
6.10 average land quality.
1219.0 total food potential.
2.50 food per non-ocean tile.
208.0 total hammer potential.
0.43 hammers per non-ocean tile.
1078.0 total commerce potential.
250 coastal tiles.
239 ocean tiles.

14 strategic resources (4 iron, 2 aluminum, 1 coal, 1 stone, 3 oil, 2 copper, 1 horse).
12 happy resources (5 sugar, 2 spices, 2 dye, 1 silk, 1 gold, 1 gems).
36 food resources (2 crab, 7 fish, 2 pig, 2 wheat, 2 sheep, 3 rice, 5 sugar, 3 corn, 5 clam, 3 banana, 2 cow).
38 health resources (2 crab, 7 fish, 2 pig, 2 wheat, 2 sheep, 3 rice, 5 sugar, 3 corn, 5 clam, 3 banana, 2 spices, 2 cow).
Player 7
Augustus of China
226 land tiles.
(69 grass, 53 plains, 25 deserts, 35 tundra, 44 snow. 61 forests, 1 jungles, 3 flood plains, 1 oasis. 40 hills.)
2581.0 total land quality.
5.09 average land quality.
1329.0 total food potential.
2.62 food per non-ocean tile.
179.0 total hammer potential.
0.35 hammers per non-ocean tile.
1138.0 total commerce potential.
281 coastal tiles.
366 ocean tiles.

16 strategic resources (3 oil, 2 aluminum, 3 copper, 2 uranium, 2 coal, 1 marble, 1 stone, 1 horse, 1 iron).
7 happy resources (3 whale, 1 gold, 1 silk, 1 incense, 1 fur).
34 food resources (15 fish, 3 crab, 2 pig, 2 rice, 3 whale, 1 sheep, 2 cow, 2 wheat, 1 deer, 3 clam).
31 health resources (15 fish, 3 crab, 2 pig, 2 rice, 1 sheep, 2 cow, 2 wheat, 1 deer, 3 clam).
Player 8
Asoka of England
333 land tiles.
(172 grass, 76 plains, 28 deserts, 29 tundra, 28 snow. 83 forests, 40 jungles, 0 flood plains, 0 oasis. 73 hills.)
4420.5 total land quality.
5.39 average land quality.
2289.0 total food potential.
2.79 food per non-ocean tile.
328.0 total hammer potential.
0.40 hammers per non-ocean tile.
1981.5 total commerce potential.
487 coastal tiles.
631 ocean tiles.

26 strategic resources (2 ivory, 5 horse, 4 iron, 2 uranium, 4 copper, 3 oil, 4 coal, 1 stone, 1 aluminum).
6 happy resources (2 ivory, 1 fur, 1 gems, 1 dye, 1 whale).
59 food resources (16 fish, 10 pig, 4 sheep, 5 crab, 5 rice, 4 wheat, 7 clam, 3 banana, 2 corn, 2 deer, 1 whale).
58 health resources (16 fish, 10 pig, 4 sheep, 5 crab, 5 rice, 4 wheat, 7 clam, 3 banana, 2 corn, 2 deer).
Player 9
Frederick of France
153 land tiles.
(51 grass, 36 plains, 7 deserts, 5 tundra, 54 snow. 36 forests, 0 jungles, 4 flood plains, 0 oasis. 32 hills.)
1422.0 total land quality.
6.05 average land quality.
459.0 total food potential.
1.95 food per non-ocean tile.
119.0 total hammer potential.
0.51 hammers per non-ocean tile.
359.0 total commerce potential.
82 coastal tiles.
78 ocean tiles.

9 strategic resources (3 oil, 1 copper, 1 ivory, 1 horse, 1 coal, 1 iron, 1 uranium).
4 happy resources (1 whale, 1 ivory, 1 silver, 1 silk).
16 food resources (1 whale, 4 cow, 4 crab, 1 corn, 1 deer, 1 sheep, 3 fish, 1 wheat).
15 health resources (4 cow, 4 crab, 1 corn, 1 deer, 1 sheep, 3 fish, 1 wheat).

For comparison sake, the rating for the submitted PB17 map is: (SPOILER, no PB17 players)

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