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Sort of think there's some recency bias going on here. Nobody was considering Vikings OP until PB73, in fact hardly anyone was picking them. I probably would not have even picked them in 73 if not for having a Fish/Deer start (not to mention the presence of Vanilla circumnav), and they were prioritized in 76 because Medieval + water start juices them an an extremely abnormal way. (I also think we should let that game play out a bit more before evaluating if the Civ pick was actually OP or merely a good fit for the era/settings.)
Basically we've seen them do a lot of damage on two very atypical games, and I'm not super sure we should be drawing so many conclusions. Vikings are very good if there's water, don't get me wrong, but that's been true for as long as we've been playing these games. I think part of what's been going on is we keep playing on maps where everyone starts coastal and it's blindingly obvious that water will play a huge role. We could just take a break from all the water.
A downside of Vikings that I think is getting understated here because of the nature of the two games they were picked is they do make your leader choice fairly awkward in a normal game. Vikings really want ORG to make their UB cheap, because waiting for a city to produce 120h before you get the Granary/UB combo is tough. They also kind of want Financial because the UB means you are going to prioritize coastal cities. So pick Darius! Except, that's really slow. And your Zerks really want some sort of combat oomph in the form of Agg/Chm, but of course you pay a tremendous opportunity cost to pick one of them. And it's really hard to get the 4th move on the Galleys in CtH without taking one of those traits. And again, none of these 4 traits help your growth curve whatsoever, so you are going to be behind and have to make up for it. You could take Expansive of course and save on the Granary/UB combo that way, but then you're passing on 3/4 of the aforementioned traits.
And all of this requires a water-heavy map, and you often don't even know this is the case off starting screenshots. I think they're situationally extremely powerful, but that's true of a bunch of civs.