RBPitboss #2 Athlete4life10 & Kalin

[athlete4life10]

Well here's his response:

Taken from our chat

"8:23 PM athlete.kalin: i suppose...but with the KA threat...whether they actually attack or not I have to plan for it
so I'll have to leave myself vunerable
anyways for now your word will suffice
you'll give me a few turns notice before you double cross me
8:24 PM and vice versa?

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8:34 PM Slaze: I can give you now a "nap" of two turns now, that renews to three turns out for next turn and four turns out turn after, that you have security to move units away and back if i go back to sulla, i can give you this security to deal with him
though you still need to whip i imagine, he is strong
athlete.kalin: ya very
8:35 PM sure sounds fine"

If you're just gonna rush in like this i quit.

Well the bottom part of this doesn't count. This discussion was a couple turns prior to signing the peace treaty in game and as I count it the NAP only lasted 9 turns. We actually have had 13 turns since this conversation.

Problem here is I forgot (and never looked for) "you'll give me a few turns notice before you double cross me" because I was sure about the NAP...

I've already committed to the backstab I can't see me just sitting idly by for 2-3 turns waiting for him to come defend himself. I dunno...I didn't expect the "I quit" response. A lot of expletives sure...anger ya, rage ya...the sour resignation? Honestly didn't see it coming. I suppose that's just as valid a response though. In his shoes I don't know if I would respond any differently. Hopefully I won't be in those shoes but Karma is out there...

[athlete4life10]

Actually reviewing our chat in full context...he never agreed to give me notice when I asked he just ignored that comment.

Later he then offered the NAP. Our chat took place during T166. From what I read of that NAP it lasts until T175. Our peace treaty accepted in game lasted until T178. It's now T179 and I declare next turn.

Yes I am just going to march in.

Athlete

[athlete4life10]

Sent a response to Slaze. If he's going to quit might as well get it done asap so the game will continue that much sooner.

Slaze,

Looking at the chat in full context, you never agreed to give notice before a double cross so I don't feel bound to do that for you. The NAP you offered by my understanding of it, expired on T175. Our in game peace treaty expired T178. I can't imagine that makes it sit any better with you, I'm just trying to relate my belief that I am not actually breaking an NAP we had. I don't blame you your response. I can't say I wouldn't react in a similar fashion. At the very least can you not play it out for the sake of the others though?

If you do wish to quit it should be made public sooner than later though. If you do quit or if you are conquered you can feel free to drop by my thread and lambast me, question, comment, or critique if you wish to do so.

Athlete

[athlete4life10]

Received a response from Slaze. If foul language is against protocol a moderator can edit that appropriately. I didn't want to edit the original response:

Looking at the chat in full context, we agreed to go after sulla ... together. What, you need the magical words NAP for it to mean anything? This is bullshit. I gave you units for that purpose and now you're going against your own words: few turns notice. You're a fucking cheat and I hope you burn in hell. Fuck you.

Now this stung more than I thought it would even though this was the type of response I had been expecting. I've been trying to wrap my head around my ingame actions because it hasn't really sat well with me. Yet this is in my mind the best course of action for me to take in game. Rome will be gone and now hopefully I can eliminate the Inca. HRE and Korea and myself are pretty friendly so maybe we'll put something together against India, maybe India and Korea will dogpile me I dunno. It's hard to say what will happen afterwards but my post in the tech forum screwed everything up.

Obviously I want to justify my actions and I'm having a tough time doing so. Basically all I can say is well it's a strategy game. It's not like I'm hurting and/or injuring Slaze. It's one computer entity killing another. I know full well we have emotional attachments to our civ's and I'd be devestated if this happened to me. I can't say I'd react any better or worse than Slaze. But I'm sure he'll get over it, as I would. Most people aren't going to get too hung up on a game. I would never do something like this to somebody in RL and I'm comfortable with that so any criticisms I receive publicly or privately about the game, I'm OK with. I think that's all I have to say.

Athlete

[Kristian95]

Honestly, I understand slaze's reaction completely... I'll keep it at that!

[Kyan]

Honestly, I understand slaze's reaction completely... I'll keep it at that!

This.

You can pick holes and technically prove a NAP wasn't broken all you like, it's a rotten (why hello thar Mr Under-statement) move regardless and against the spirit of how i like to play my games.

Backstabbing and the like are expected, but taking his army then throwing it back at him... Yeah, i'm just gonna stop typing.

[Twinkletoes89]

Ok guys, lets leave it for now! I think athlete can understand that this action has polarised opinion, but please lets not have it devolve into having a go at him in his own thread which he invests effort into to maintain just for us!

I am disappointed too, but Athlete is entitled to play the game his way and lets keep any argument about it in the Lurker Thread!

[pocketbeetle]

I think it's a great move, you go Athlete!

[athlete4life10]

Well it's nice to know there's atleast one on my side! Thanks PB!

As Twinkletoes89 says though I do understand their's definitely some strong opinions on my actions. Feel free to slag me all you want in the no players thread if you feel the need to do so. I'll be able to read all the comments (from either perspective) at some point or another and will get my "due" then if that's how you look at it.

If Slaze on the other hand wants to have a go feel free to do it here.

Athlete

[novice]

If Slaze on the other hand wants to have a go feel free to do it here.

That reminds me... Time for some comic relief.