[PB58 Spoilers] Sea Monsters and Other Lurking Types

[Charriu]

But nobody noticed that a turn split is at hand. The etiquette says as soon as you notice the turn split it is established. I also agree that Ruff did nothing wrong. Maybe a coin flip is the fairest method in this special case.

[Cornflakes]

I always interpreted that to mean the person who notices has a duty to abide by a turn split, not the duty (or the right) to enforce a turn split ... except by declaring war which establishes a turn split

[Charriu]

But just in this case Serdoa did abide a turn split, but because Ruff couldn't know this Serdoa was no longer able to abide this turn split.

[Cornflakes]

I understand that there is some weight on me to have sent a PM but going by your point about the etiquette I think one can argue that Ruff should not have double-moved in a situation that very clearly could be influenced by that double-move either. So I think we both can be blamed for our situation.

As for your other point: I think if the rule is to be understood as you interpret it, that would mean that I just have to be oblivious to my surroundings and the other players and suddenly I'm allowed to double-move everyone - that can not be the intended consequence imo. But that is imo what you would propose: Because Ruff might not have realized (or simply not cared) that he double-moved me he is free to do so? When does "his duty" to not double-move come into play here? Of course you can't abide by that rule if you do not know that your double-move does influence something - after all we can play so fast in this game because we all the time double-move. But I think if you did, it is just fair to go back to the situation before it happened and not double-move.

This has pretty much convinced me. I don't object to a reload.

[Cornflakes]

But I'll let you explain it to Ruff

[civac2]

This is my evaluation of the situation as well. There should be a reload. I had hoped for some more senior opinions.

[mackoti]

This is my evaluation of the situation as well. There should be a reload. I had hoped for some more senior opinions.

If wasnt a war declaration i think maximum what serdoa should get is a coinflip. If it happens to move first you deserve to win all settlers race? I think coinflip should be proposed. You can say he doublemoved before ruff cause he knew there will be settler race.

[civac2]

He said he double moved earlier to that. Two turns ago.

[pindicator]

I've just gotten power back after being in the dark and cold for 16+ hours. I haven't really had time to get the full understanding of the situation, but from the looks of things we had a turn order of Ruff > Serdoa on t107 and 108 and then Serdoa > Ruff on 109 and 110 and now again Ruff > Serdoa on 111, but now its important to Serdoa.

I feel like we've stumbled into a grey area in our etiquette and maybe that needs to be revisited after this game. If Ruff was in the dark to being to a settler race then he did nothing wrong here and will probably feel cheated by a reload just to let Serdoa establish a turn split that he didn't know existed.

Anyway, I'm going to make warm food now because I haven't had that in almost a full day. Don't feel like you need to wait on me if the rest of you have a consensus.

[pindicator]

Also, i found Serdoa's comment about the land bridges being left barren as a mistake funny. The short connections were left barren intentionally; the flat connections on the far-side of the inland sea were lush as an intentional contrast.