[SPOILERS-PBEM15] Mansa Musa of the Ottomans

[Piet]

Brief summary of T31 & 32 (yes, both in, two really fast turns).

Local News :

Mysticism in T31, switched to sailing (due T35).

Ankh finished the granary T31, grew T32, will grow again T33 - baby boom . Currently growing on Clams, Wheat and my first cottage.

Morpork switched production to a monument when Myst came in, due in 2 Turns thanks to a forest chop. Granary will be whipped shortly after.
Morpork will also grow T33 - very nice.

First worker is currently chopping Morpork's Monument out. Second worker has finished the first cottage - now mining the PH between my cities.

Northern scout goes NE and E, back towards my territory through T-Is and my "neutral zone". Southern scout pushes for a view of TTs territory, found marble in the southern desert on its way.

Foreign news :

A lot of Diplo done yesterday. Traded maps with Ioan and made a short-term-NAP until T50. Will chat with TT soon - today or tomorrow I suppose.

Split ESP between Ioan and TT atm. Will probably focus on one of them soon, until graph visibility.

TT has whipped his capital from 3 to 2 at T31 - should be a settler, or he is really far behind. Ioan told me that TT and him are competing for the oracle atm - if TT starts it this turn he might have a chance, but Ioans already on it and has made nice progress.

T-I is growing fast, he founded his second city T31 and is #1 in food atm.


Maps/Graphs/Diplo will be appended soon - currently no time to do it.

[spacemanmf]

novice (dot) spacemanmf (at) gmail.com will do it.

[Piet]

heres maps / graphs end of Turn 32 :

[Piet]

Diplo with Ioan, continuing from my last posted message :

Hi Peter,

I assume that you don't have a settler already heading to a (potential) disputed area - so I'd suggest a first NAP for ... 20 turns let's say ?
I received the save already but I'll be able to play it only when I'll arrive home - 2-3 hours from now - so ... let's detail a little bit
the map-exchange terms : would you prefer a complete-map exchange ( which will involve 2-3 screenshots from different locations ) or only "border-area map" ?

Regarding you additional question : I've met TT which is south of my position ( and we are separated by a sea-channel ). I assume that you could reach its border on land without problems if you head your warrior SW.

Best regards,

Ioan

Allright, thought a little bit about full map trade.

As long as our maps stay confidential between us, i.e. not included in map trades to third parties, there is no problem for me to trade my whole map against yours.

Piet

Hi Peter,

Agreed - I'll open the save now and will take the screenshots.

Best regards,

Ioan

Allright, my map is appended here.

Managed to get it on one screenie, if there are too few details, just tell
me and i can do more detailed screnshots.

(btw, I just noticed, my warrior and your borders are not visible in this
resolution - my warrior is positioned in the NW (1N of the cow to be
precise) - and your borders extend to the two water tiles at the fringe north of
him).

Best regards,

Piet

Hi Peter,

It's OK for the moment - even if you blurred out city-production ... but
as long as this is not a close-Oracle one ... is not important for me.

So ... we consider a 20-turns NAP from this/next turn in effect ? There
seems to be little concern regarding settling for these turns ...

Best regards,

Ioan

Hi Ioan,

Oracle is due in 5 Turns - not :-).

A NAP until T50 would be fine with me, as long as you dont settle SE of Ionesti in this time. The sugar/gold-site will be fine for me, but this you will probably have to discuss with Mark primary, not with me ;-).

I will settle my third city 1N of the horses on my map and I am planning a city on the river bend 5N of the horses. Since these cities are about as far of my capital as Ionesti is from yours, I hope you have no problems with that. I will not settle W or NW of these sites until T50.

We can discuss further settlements in the next days or weeks, to be settled after T50.

Is something along these lines ok for you ?

Regards,

Peter

Hi Peter,

I have absolutely no intention to settle SE of Ionesti ( probably not until T100 not T50 ... ) - so the proposal is very resonable for me.
As you already guessed my "settling-focus" is/will be to that gold-resource which is located between me and v8mark - and this is not on your teritory at all ...

Best regards,

Ioan

Allright, sounds good. NAP until T50 it is.

Good luck with the Oracle - looks good for you I think, as TT whipped something at T31 (settler I suppose) - so he probably not even started by now. Still not talked to him though.

Regards,

Piet

[Piet]

sent this map to Ioan



and got this one back



more details, less map :-)

Some nice sites to settle for him - he has much better land in his E and NE than towards me - thats not so bad.

[spacemanmf]

So what paths are you two exploring warriors following?

[Piet]

As written a moment ago ;-), the northern warrior should head back in Direction Morpork, scouting the southern rim of the mountain chain on his way.

The southern warrior should move W/SW/SE via the hills and SE from there until he hits the coast, then S.

The warrior currently stationed in Morpork should check the rice SE of Ankh for a land bridge to the south (and for metal)

[Piet]

Had a long chat with TT. If you like long chats, it is appended here. I will post the important points below.

[21:38:27] Peter Hannappel: Hi TT
[21:38:32] Peter Hannappel: youre there ?
[21:38:36] Jack Birkinshaw: hey
[21:38:44] Jack Birkinshaw: how are you?
[21:38:57] Peter Hannappel: just fine
[21:39:05] Peter Hannappel: weekends coming
[21:39:32] Peter Hannappel: and our last two turns were really fast - was surprised
[21:39:47] Peter Hannappel: too bad that Jkaen is away this weekend
[21:39:57] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[21:40:22] Jack Birkinshaw: i'm going back to university tomorrow
[21:40:27] Jack Birkinshaw: so much work...
[21:40:43] Peter Hannappel: ^^
[21:40:49] Peter Hannappel: I am on a business trip next week
[21:41:01] Peter Hannappel: monday to thursday in Basel
[21:41:25] Peter Hannappel: does not really need this either
[21:42:07] Peter Hannappel: so, how was your start in PBEM15. Happy with the game so far ?
[21:42:21] Peter Hannappel: Buddhism was sure a nice catch
[21:42:42] Peter Hannappel: I think at this times my people were learning to stun cows with big clubs :D
[21:42:47] Jack Birkinshaw: lol
[21:42:56] Jack Birkinshaw: Buddhism was just an opportunistic grab
[21:43:04] Jack Birkinshaw: I moved my cap & got very very lucky
[21:43:06] Peter Hannappel: yeah, it went very late
[21:43:34] Peter Hannappel: yes, I saw you settled on T1 - or was it T2
[21:43:43] Jack Birkinshaw: T1
[21:44:06] Jack Birkinshaw: thank the lord for tile-bleeding
[21:44:17] Peter Hannappel: starting position was very difficult - thought a lot about it then SIPd
[21:44:26] Peter Hannappel: but its ok
[21:44:40] Jack Birkinshaw: mine was not brill - it had good food but lots of icky plains
[21:44:51] Peter Hannappel: only a little bit slow - but I think we all had a rather slow start
[21:44:57] Jack Birkinshaw: moved & found river grass & floodplains
[21:45:06] Peter Hannappel: oh, thats nice
[21:45:36] Peter Hannappel: yeah, its quite a lot of plains at our starting position
[21:45:43] Peter Hannappel: had wheat & clams for food
[21:45:52] Peter Hannappel: so worker > Workboat
[21:45:57] Peter Hannappel: really slow
[21:46:14] Peter Hannappel: but its in a fine shape now
[21:46:24] Jack Birkinshaw: how long ago did you get city 2?
[21:47:01] Peter Hannappel: T29
[21:47:10] Jack Birkinshaw: what are we on now?
[21:47:15] Peter Hannappel: T32
[21:47:21] Jack Birkinshaw: righteo
[21:47:28] Jack Birkinshaw: I'm settling mine next turn
[21:47:31] Peter Hannappel: you whipped your first settler last turn I suppose
[21:47:52] Peter Hannappel: saw your point decrease
[21:47:53] Jack Birkinshaw: ah, i take it you are trying c&d?
[21:48:05] Peter Hannappel: not so good at it
[21:48:11] Peter Hannappel: but ok
[21:48:12] Jack Birkinshaw: me neither
[21:48:40] Jack Birkinshaw: I've given it up mainly - I just trust in openness & intuition!
[21:49:05] Peter Hannappel: had you on research Agri > Pottery > Mysticism > Meditaion, then it gets dark
[21:49:21] Peter Hannappel: you must not confirm or deny it
[21:49:26] Jack Birkinshaw: ok
[21:49:29] Jack Birkinshaw: interesting...
[21:49:46] Peter Hannappel: but I am really eager to vie your threads after the game
[21:49:57] Peter Hannappel: to see where I went right & wrong
[21:50:19] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah - its gone a bit quiet at the moment but my thread will get better once my exams are done & I have 3 months off
[21:50:34] Peter Hannappel: I try to post at least Map & Demos every turn
[21:50:44] Peter Hannappel: so my thread is very large
[21:50:48] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[21:51:00] Peter Hannappel: but also somewhat boring I think
[21:51:13] Jack Birkinshaw: well there's nothing much interesting going on yet
[21:51:27] Jack Birkinshaw: apparently PBEM 14 is getting crazy already
[21:51:40] Jack Birkinshaw: but they have Sandover so that was always guaranteed
[21:51:46] Peter Hannappel: hehe
[21:51:52] Peter Hannappel: yes, i read some of his threads
[21:52:02] Peter Hannappel: very aggressive guy
[21:52:16] Peter Hannappel: they are ten turns ahead of us
[21:52:21] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[21:53:02] Peter Hannappel: and the one of us with the most dangerous early game is the only one I still not have met
[21:53:11] Peter Hannappel: met Ioan north of you
[21:53:27] Peter Hannappel: and v8mark north of me
[21:53:35] Peter Hannappel: JKaen and his Impi nowhere to be seen
[21:54:05] Peter Hannappel: You have seen them perhaps ?
[21:54:10] Jack Birkinshaw: I've seen him
[21:54:21] Jack Birkinshaw: but not v8mark I think
[21:54:33] Peter Hannappel: I could arrange a meeting
[21:54:49] Peter Hannappel: or describe where he is
[21:55:04] Jack Birkinshaw: if its not miles away from my warrior then that would be handy
[21:55:18] Peter Hannappel: just wait a second
[21:56:38] Peter Hannappel: my capital is around 10 tiles E of your warrior I ve met
[21:56:46] Peter Hannappel: and v8mark is about the same distance north of me
[21:57:05] Jack Birkinshaw: wow - thats a long way apart!
[21:57:22] Jack Birkinshaw: as my warrior is quite far from home
[21:57:28] Peter Hannappel: but you cannot go simply NE because theres a mountain range between us
[21:57:37] Peter Hannappel: (Mark and me)
[21:58:13] Jack Birkinshaw: does he not have a scouting unit any closer?
[21:58:53] Peter Hannappel: he has a scout running around somewhere
[21:59:07] Peter Hannappel: last time I saw him he was heading towards ioan
[21:59:14] Jack Birkinshaw: ah right
[21:59:24] Peter Hannappel: so maybe Ioans eastern border could be the way to go
[21:59:41] Peter Hannappel: but I can ask him if he wants to make contact
[21:59:45] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[21:59:48] Peter Hannappel: would be easier
[22:00:17] Jack Birkinshaw: if he's near Ioan, he's best off heading south of his land as it will see me across the very small body of water separating us
[22:00:57] Peter Hannappel: so your capital is right S of Ioans ?
[22:01:34] Jack Birkinshaw: pretty much
[22:01:51] Peter Hannappel: how can I reach Jkaen ?
[22:02:05] Peter Hannappel: I suppose to your W or NW ?
[22:02:18] Jack Birkinshaw: not a clue
[22:02:25] Jack Birkinshaw: his scout unit found me
[22:02:34] Jack Birkinshaw: but he seemed to come from my E tbh
[22:03:01] Peter Hannappel: hm - this is strange
[22:03:26] Peter Hannappel: thought I was your eastern neighbour
[22:03:36] Jack Birkinshaw: Could've been SE
[22:04:07] Peter Hannappel: You talked about a map exchange. Perhaps this could help us to find out more
[22:04:54] Jack Birkinshaw: probably
[22:05:38] Jack Birkinshaw: I have a theory about the map but I could do with a bit more info - JKaen is doing odd diplo so I have no map from him
[22:05:42] Jack Birkinshaw: but I have Ioan's
[22:06:16] Peter Hannappel: I too - but we agreed to keep our maps confidential
[22:06:39] Peter Hannappel: would be a prereq for map exchange between us, too
[22:06:45] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah - fine by me
[22:07:17] Peter Hannappel: so - would you prefer a map of the border region (meeting point up to capital)
[22:07:27] Peter Hannappel: or would you like to trade the whole map ?
[22:07:49] Jack Birkinshaw: I'll send you all I have visible if you like?
[22:08:12] Peter Hannappel: allright, as long as we keep it confidential I can do this too
[22:08:27] Peter Hannappel: I have a prepared map from T30 which I traded with Ioan
[22:08:32] Peter Hannappel: would this be ok ?
[22:08:49] Jack Birkinshaw: what do you mean by 'prepared'?
[22:09:05] Peter Hannappel: balnked out research and city production
[22:09:10] Jack Birkinshaw: that all?
[22:09:19] Jack Birkinshaw: are resource icons on?
[22:09:22] Peter Hannappel: yes
[22:09:55] Peter Hannappel: you can see them anyway and its just a nuisance for your trade partner to fiddle them out
[22:10:01] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:11:27] Peter Hannappel: so if you like, I will send you this one
[22:11:41] Jack Birkinshaw: sounds fine to me - i'm just preparing min enow
[22:11:51] Peter Hannappel: sure
[22:12:28] *** Peter Hannappel sent Map-For trade-2200BC.jpg ***
[22:12:49] Peter Hannappel: sending it atm - you should receive it soon
[22:15:12] *** Jack Birkinshaw sent Civ4ScreenShot0005.JPG ***
[22:15:50] Jack Birkinshaw: sent
[22:18:22] Jack Birkinshaw: interesting
[22:18:32] Peter Hannappel: yes
[22:18:48] Peter Hannappel: so Jkaen sould be SE of you and SW of me
[22:19:02] Jack Birkinshaw: I imagine
[22:20:15] Jack Birkinshaw: want to guess where my 2nd city will be?
[22:21:03] Peter Hannappel: copper/clams/cow I suppose
[22:21:09] Peter Hannappel: or copper / double clams
[22:21:29] Jack Birkinshaw: one of them yes
[22:21:51] Jack Birkinshaw: got to be prepared for Impis just in case
[22:21:57] Peter Hannappel: sure
[22:22:17] Jack Birkinshaw: what's v8mark's diplo like btw? Is Kyan doing it?
[22:22:28] Peter Hannappel: dont think so
[22:22:32] Jack Birkinshaw: ah shame
[22:22:41] Jack Birkinshaw: Jkaen's is very odd
[22:22:49] Jack Birkinshaw: I think its roleplaying
[22:23:03] Peter Hannappel: Mark is a nice guy atm
[22:23:08] Jack Birkinshaw: just have to figure out what on earth he is actually saying
[22:23:11] Peter Hannappel: and Ioans too
[22:23:17] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah Ioan's is good
[22:23:24] Peter Hannappel: Jkaen plays a lot of FFH
[22:23:27] Jack Birkinshaw: will be interesting who gets Oracle
[22:23:34] Peter Hannappel: so if he roleplays his zulus
[22:23:46] Peter Hannappel: it will be interesting
[22:24:11] Peter Hannappel: Oracle is due in my cap in 3 turns
[22:24:17] Jack Birkinshaw: lol
[22:24:19] Peter Hannappel: just kidding
[22:24:33] Jack Birkinshaw: Ioan is going for it too
[22:24:51] Jack Birkinshaw: got spooked by my floodplain capital & thought he should stop me getting it
[22:25:28] Peter Hannappel: souns interesting
[22:25:33] Peter Hannappel: *sounds*
[22:25:45] Jack Birkinshaw: we shall see - he got hinduism
[22:25:57] Peter Hannappel: you probably would grap metalcasting with it
[22:26:02] Jack Birkinshaw: yup
[22:26:09] Peter Hannappel: and he - too I think
[22:26:26] Jack Birkinshaw: probably
[22:26:58] Jack Birkinshaw: as you have probably guessed by now - my diplo style is pretty much open & candid
[22:27:19] Peter Hannappel: like it so far
[22:27:32] Jack Birkinshaw: I look to work with people & as we are still pretty early on I want to sound out potential allies
[22:28:06] Peter Hannappel: I think it is a little bit early to decide on this
[22:28:10] Jack Birkinshaw: oh yeah
[22:28:18] Peter Hannappel: But I know my strengths are in the midgame
[22:28:44] Peter Hannappel: so peaceful expansion will fit me well for the moment
[22:28:49] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:29:47] Peter Hannappel: will have to check out if Jkaen has a direct land connection to me
[22:30:00] Peter Hannappel: theres this penisula SE of my cap
[22:30:07] Peter Hannappel: i have not defogged whole
[22:30:19] Jack Birkinshaw: If I am correct in my assumption - he will only be able to connect via the path I have gone
[22:30:42] Jack Birkinshaw: but I may be wrong
[22:31:00] Peter Hannappel: yes, does not look like a connection in the E
[22:31:16] Peter Hannappel: but there is still a possibility
[22:31:35] Peter Hannappel: so I will have to send a scout there soon to check it out
[22:31:43] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:32:12] Peter Hannappel: so - you talked about wonders in your email
[22:32:20] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:32:49] Peter Hannappel: Ioan and you are industrious, and 2 of five are a lot
[22:33:13] Peter Hannappel: I dont think there will be many wonders left to pick for us other 3
[22:33:40] Peter Hannappel: As you are both racing the oracle - which is of no interest for me
[22:33:50] Peter Hannappel: what else are you pursuing ?
[22:35:33] Jack Birkinshaw: Well I am keeping an eye on the Henge - in case I decide to avoid an Oracle race. If I win Oracle race then Colossus will also be likely. Aside from that, the rest are a little way off as it will be expansion first
[22:35:55] Peter Hannappel: yeah, there is a danger in too much wonders
[22:35:59] Jack Birkinshaw: exactly
[22:36:42] Peter Hannappel: Henge would be not bad for me since I have to border pop with monuments and libraries for a while, but I dont think I will go in this direction
[22:37:39] Peter Hannappel: Thought about hanging gardens since it is on the tech where my UB is on
[22:37:54] Peter Hannappel: but they are not effective with a small empire
[22:38:10] Peter Hannappel: so probably not
[22:38:28] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:39:01] Jack Birkinshaw: its too early for anything other than Oracle or Henge really
[22:39:12] Peter Hannappel: I will start to think about them if I have around 6 or 7 cities and they are still open
[22:39:18] Peter Hannappel: yes
[22:39:31] Peter Hannappel: anything else will slow the expansion to a crawl
[22:39:54] Peter Hannappel: especially with a non-industrious nation
[22:40:18] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:41:10] Jack Birkinshaw: So I see you avoided BW (I imagine)
[22:41:12] Jack Birkinshaw: ?
[22:41:48] Peter Hannappel: not really ...
[22:42:08] Peter Hannappel: my metal should be down at the rice
[22:42:16] Peter Hannappel: and I will have IW in soon
[22:42:22] Peter Hannappel: so it will be fine
[22:42:44] Peter Hannappel: it was a kind of worry for quite some time
[22:42:49] Jack Birkinshaw: oh right
[22:43:16] Peter Hannappel: got some good jungle sites, so IW is not that bad this early
[22:43:44] Jack Birkinshaw: Yeah
[22:45:16] Jack Birkinshaw: seems like a lot more jungle than other games I've played
[22:45:25] Peter Hannappel: the map is tropical
[22:45:37] Peter Hannappel: so its no surprise
[22:46:08] Jack Birkinshaw: though I think its still pretty much located to the 'equator'
[22:46:36] Jack Birkinshaw: looking at you map it seems like more desert & jungle to south & mainly grassland/plains/forest to the north
[22:46:57] Peter Hannappel: yeah, the equator should be a little bit south of us
[22:47:18] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:47:48] Peter Hannappel: are you content with your civ/leader pick ?
[22:47:59] Peter Hannappel: I really would have liked hannibal
[22:48:08] Peter Hannappel: but he was taken first
[22:48:27] Peter Hannappel: Ottomans were my pick for mansa, so this was ok
[22:49:07] Jack Birkinshaw: I'm very happy with mine
[22:49:18] Jack Birkinshaw: given the restrictions, probably the best I could've got
[22:49:30] Peter Hannappel: I thought Mali was a little bit odd
[22:49:37] Peter Hannappel: but if your oracle MC
[22:49:52] Peter Hannappel: a mint will very nice synergize with your FPs
[22:49:55] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:50:04] Jack Birkinshaw: I like some form of synergy
[22:50:10] Jack Birkinshaw: I had to pick financial
[22:50:43] Jack Birkinshaw: so it was limited by the loss of others vefore
[22:50:56] Peter Hannappel: yeah
[22:51:19] Peter Hannappel: Hannibal wuld have been best because of the early happycap in my opinion
[22:51:22] Peter Hannappel: but on fast speed
[22:51:38] Peter Hannappel: I think Spi can be very powerful
[22:51:50] Peter Hannappel: just look at Locke / Cervates in Pisboss
[22:51:54] Peter Hannappel: Pitboss
[22:52:05] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:52:08] Jack Birkinshaw: I do like spiritual
[22:52:33] Jack Birkinshaw: if that hadn't been picked, I would have picked it before HC
[22:53:01] Peter Hannappel: Industrious is really a double-edged sword
[22:53:19] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[22:53:51] Peter Hannappel: A last thing
[22:54:09] Peter Hannappel: I think we are far away from each other
[22:54:36] Peter Hannappel: and I am not sure if we need a NAP at this time
[22:55:05] Peter Hannappel: what do you think
[22:55:34] Jack Birkinshaw: I agree, and you know I have copper in reach so you wouldn't rush me anyway
[22:55:59] Jack Birkinshaw: In terms of agreements, there's one thing I'd like to bring up
[22:56:54] Jack Birkinshaw: the wet rice in the bottom left of your map is 10 tiles W of your capital & 10 tiles E of mine
[22:58:00] Jack Birkinshaw: can we agree on a line being drawn there & that we must both agree not to found a city with a bfc which will cross that line?
[22:58:50] Peter Hannappel: so 3 neutral vertical rows centered on the rice tile ?
[22:59:08] Jack Birkinshaw: yes
[23:00:40] Peter Hannappel: I will think about it
[23:01:08] Peter Hannappel: But I think it will be fine for a certain number of turns
[23:01:33] Peter Hannappel: just to ensure the other one doesnt settle aggressive early
[23:02:00] Jack Birkinshaw: exactly - that's the main idea of the plan
[23:03:38] Peter Hannappel: I can agree with this - we can share this neutral zone later on
[23:04:03] Peter Hannappel: so - NAp until ?
[23:04:36] Jack Birkinshaw: Shall we say around T120?
[23:04:53] Peter Hannappel: no, this is too long
[23:05:17] Peter Hannappel: on quick speed, we will reach this area really fast
[23:05:26] Peter Hannappel: T70 would be ok with me
[23:05:55] Jack Birkinshaw: could we make it T90?
[23:06:42] Peter Hannappel: I would say, T70 and after this a 5 Turn cooldown period ?
[23:07:20] Jack Birkinshaw: How about this: NAP until T90 but the settling agreement is renegotiated at T70?
[23:09:01] Peter Hannappel: Allright - lets say renegotiation of the settling agreement at latest T70 and a garanteed NAP until T80 - prolonged if we can agree upon settling
[23:10:56] Jack Birkinshaw: hmmm
[23:11:21] Peter Hannappel: I know, you are the builder type
[23:11:31] Peter Hannappel: I am too, but I like to keep my options open
[23:11:41] Jack Birkinshaw: I just want to only have to worry about Impis for now
[23:12:08] Peter Hannappel: sure
[23:12:52] Peter Hannappel: lets make it NAP until T80 and after that a 5 Turn Cooldown - running NAP. That means guaranteed until T85
[23:12:59] Peter Hannappel: effectively
[23:13:49] Peter Hannappel: but lets try to get a precise settling agreement before this - T70 is a good time for this
[23:14:09] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah ok
[23:14:25] Peter Hannappel: allright, its agreed then
[23:14:33] Peter Hannappel: how about Espionage ?
[23:15:06] Peter Hannappel: would like to see your graphs, but I would then spend my EP somewhere else, if you agree to do the same
[23:17:01] Jack Birkinshaw: fine by me
[23:17:14] Peter Hannappel: allright
[23:18:02] Peter Hannappel: I think it is too early for other agreements - I am sure I will at some point ask for open borders along with a connecting road for trade income
[23:18:17] Peter Hannappel: but this is far away
[23:18:27] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah
[23:19:22] Peter Hannappel: allright then - nice to meet you ingame finally - and good luck for your next turns
[23:19:33] Jack Birkinshaw: likewise
[23:19:33] Peter Hannappel: hope the Zulu stay quiet
[23:19:36] Jack Birkinshaw: me too
[23:19:46] Jack Birkinshaw: their scout will head your way soon anyway I imagine
[23:20:21] Peter Hannappel: yeah, but I am probably too far away to make an inviting target
[23:20:34] Jack Birkinshaw: indeed
[23:20:55] Peter Hannappel: with copper & axes, you should be save too
[23:21:08] Peter Hannappel: at least from Impis
[23:21:19] Jack Birkinshaw: yeah - and Skirmishers
[23:21:33] Peter Hannappel: sure - and Skirmishers
[23:21:48] Peter Hannappel: Thats the second really good part of Mali
[23:21:58] Peter Hannappel: if the bad guy is your neighbour
[23:22:04] Jack Birkinshaw: exactly
[23:22:33] Peter Hannappel: allright, good night then
[23:22:53] Jack Birkinshaw: take care

[Piet]

The important points :

- We have a border agreement until T70, not unlike the agreement I got with T-I. 3 neutral rows centered on the middle of our capitals.

- We have a fixed NAP until T80 and a rolling NAP with a 5-Turn-Cooldown after that.

- TT met Jkaen and it seems he is roleplaying. As he is Zulu, this could be bad news. Jkaen is positioned somewhere to our South, but seems to be quite a distance away.

- We exchanged maps. TT has moved from his starting spot (SW as it seems if he started with food & clams near a cow as Ioan and me did) and found a nice batch of flood plains there. He has copper nearby and will settle it with his second city. We agreed to keep the maps confidential.

- TT is in the oracle race with Ioan and I think he will lose it. Since he didn't mention GLH I didn't mention it, too. He could try for it in his second city, but he is talking about expansion soon.

- TT noted that I have no metal atm and no copper in sight (I am sure Ioan noted it too, but didn't mention it).

TTs Map :

[Piet]

Beeing potential neighbour of a roleplaying Zulus with no visible metal makes me nervous, even if they did not find me yet.

So the warrior guarding Morpork will be send towards the rice SE of Ankh, to
- find a copper there (last place where copper near my capital could be)
- check if there is a land connection to the south (dont think so, but if it exists, it is very dangerous).

Tech path changed to Sailing > Masonry.

When masonry is in and no copper is found > IW > Writing > Math

If copper is found > Writing > Math as planned, with writing and open borders a little bit later.

My third city will have to claim metal. I will perhaps have to sort out some timing problems (3rd settler due before IW if proceeding according to plan). The best case would be copper nice the rice, anyway.