pb49?

[Commodore]

Peace treaties I don't care, but definitely NO on tech trading. Map trades I'm neutral.

[RefSteel]

Ref, I think starting screenshots would be greatly appreciated. I also noticed that you mentioned to be using GJ's MapCAD. Afair that included a tool to quickly export sandboxes for each player. Would it be possible for you to do that?

I've not had a lot of luck getting that aspect of MapCAD to work for me, and don't want to take Civ time away from map-building to figure it out, so I'll leave the sandbox-building to the players who wish to do so unless another lurker volunteers to produce the sandboxes if I post the map in a mapmaking/lurker thread. Either way, before I post the screenies, I have to finalize all nine starting BFCs (and take pictures of them) plus of course the settings have to be confirmed and everyone's threads created for posting in. On the settings:

Can only think of barbarians, but maybe that should be left to Ref's judgement?

@RefSteel, what is the size setting in the map file (for costs/drafting/etc.)?

Also, did we decide on a difficulty? Monarch? Emperor?

As far as I'm concerned, this is up to you guys; I'm just trying to help out with the map! I will note, along the lines that Raskolnikov posted, that the map's nominal size also affects the number of buildings required for several of the National Wonders. Presumably, if desired, Charriu can change this number along the lines of what he did for PB50, but that's something else that should be decided before we get to the picks phase.

[Charriu]

As far as I'm concerned, this is up to you guys; I'm just trying to help out with the map!  I will note, along the lines that Raskolnikov posted, that the map's nominal size also affects the number of buildings required for several of the National Wonders.  Presumably, if desired, Charriu can change this number along the lines of what he did for PB50, but that's something else that should be decided before we get to the picks phase.

And I would need to know the size setting of the map, if I need to change the building requirement.

[Charriu]

the 4116 peace delay didn't work.  throw in 1gp and it was instant.

pb46 peace deal was easily fooled. Throw ANYTHING into the deal, and then retract it and you had a peace treaty without either side giving up anything.

You are both right in this and as far as my research suggested there is no way to fix this for me, as this is not part of the SDK.

But the treaty length at 5 definitely worked and this effects all deals.

[Fintourist]

Peace treaties I don't care, but definitely NO on tech trading. Map trades I'm neutral.

- Also clear no for tech trading.

- I like map trading off better

- Re peace treaties everything works as long it's clear for everyone what are the rules and they work. Bugged 5-turn treaties did not sound too good..

[superdeath]

Map trading - ON imo. Id like to be able to see the map as it unfolds with everyone.

Tech Trading- off. Depending on how pb48 goes i might be able to be talked into it ( cuz this setup is the longest setup to anything other than some anime ive watched )

Sounds like they cant be fixed to work how we would want them... so just move them back to 10t/instant?

[Charriu]

If my counting is correct, it looks like a majority for Tech Trading - off

This only leaves map Trading, where we currently have a

3 for On
3 for Off
1 for Whatever

Somebody needs to break this tie.

Other than that I will move treaty length back to 10 turns.

[Ruff_Hi]

Map trading ON.

[Raskolnikov]

Map trading ON.

Same (even if the urge to tie was strong - blame web mafia gaming for this).

As for other settings, I would avoid going back and forth with the mod versions but I'll gladly play the choosen consensus (don't have strong opinions, and will adapt). Just strong NO to tech trading. Brokering OK but no trading and happy backfillling. SP Mansa is enough.

@Charriu: with regard to the number of players I would use the "standard" map size setting.

Cheers

[Charriu]

Looks like Map trading is ON. So the only question for me as a mod maker is. Where should map trading be on the tech tree at:

Paper like in PB48

or

Writing like in RtR 4.1.1.6

Regarding map size. This was only important to know for me if you would have requested me to change build requirements for national wonders.

And yes I would avoid going back and forth with the mod versions. This only happened because you are probably the last PB playing the BUG test version. After the tests are successful everything will go back to RtR and there will be one version of RtR again.