Werewolf 3 Game Thread

[Mardoc]

I do agree that the run on Lewwyn was pretty suspicious. But would the wolves really risk a move that coordinated on day 1? What has the past history in WW1 and WW2 shown in that regard?

In both of those games, the werewolves were careful to split up their votes until the endgame (as best I remember as a mere lurker, anyway). Of course, if we rely on 'they wouldn't do that', it frees them to do so - the classic 'what if they want me to think that they think that I think that...' loop.

So I don't think that swing tells us much either way, sadly.

[Sandover]

FWIW, I could have told everyone here Lewwyn was going to vote MJW off, and not because I've spoken to him. You all simply don't know 1) how fired up Lewwyn can get sometimes, and 2) how much he truly dislikes MJW.

This I'm game with.

Don't waste your time on Lewwyn, guys. We've got wolves to catch.

[Roland]

This I'm game with.

Don't waste your time on Lewwyn, guys. We've got wolves to catch.

Not to sound like I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I wasn't necessarily saying I think Lewwyn is innocent - just that the vehemence he's exhibiting is not only characteristic, but to be expected. It's a poor judge as to whether he's a 'Wolf or not, is my point. As for him changing his vote but keeping his opinion firmly on MJW, that's nothing out of the ordinary, either. He feels very strongly about MJW, but if it's going to land him on the chopping block almost instantly on Day 1 he's expected to move his vote off - especially since he may be trying to hold his emotions in check. Doesn't change how he feels, just that he's not willing to die for it.

Personally I'd rather see Lewwyn stick around than MJW - he's a far better player, albeit a bit prone to tunnel vision and hostility-fueled perceptions. He's honorable (enough) though, so I value him as an asset more. Just my opinion.

[Sandover]

I wasn't necessarily saying I think Lewwyn is innocent.

I know that. I'm the one saying he's innocent.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Wow. The only votes left on F&I me, him and just one other person. So I have to vote Lewwyn. I still think he may be a wolf. Because Novice and Rowain are voting for him to it is unclear who I should vote fore Novice seems to be far more set on him.

I just made an error when I forgot about Sarlen. Rowain's post seems a bit too nitpicking. But Sarlen's ego is much lower than F&I so I think villager Sarlen would do it but not Rowain.

It may not be best to lych the worst players first. It is very unclear if a good player is a wolf or villager. It tends to be much more clear if it is bad player. The werewolf side is much harder to play and errors are much more costly. A bad player on the werewolf side hurts much more. Killing someone is like scrying them due to the mod-reveal. I think I am a good player but if you think I am a bad player would you waste a scry on me?

Finally the only metagaming ploy in the game, Irgy, that is not against the rules or clearly very unethical that I can think of is the camping other people's profiles. It is clearly against RBer spirt so I won't do it. I think Lewwyn suddenly saying he read something in the OP is a different issue but I think no-one but me cares about it anyway.

[MJW (ya that one)]

I put rowin in instead of F&I. At least the no-editing posts rule ups my post count.

[Ichabod]

Roland,

You are still voting for Lewwyn, I'd like to ask you why?

Another questions: what do you think abou the game's activity so far? Are you gathering information for a subsequent post? I find your play until now to be very different from game 2, so it makes me wonder.

[novice]

It may not be best to lych the worst players first. It is very unclear if a good player is a wolf or villager. It tends to be much more clear if it is bad player. The werewolf side is much harder to play and errors are much more costly. A bad player on the werewolf side hurts much more. Killing someone is like scrying them due to the mod-reveal. I think I am a good player but if you think I am a bad player would you waste a scry on me?

See? Sometimes MJW brings something useful and understandable to the table.

I'm a bit at a loss. Noone's really *clang*ed up yet. I know I'm currently voting Lewwyn but it's really due to lack of reasonable alternatives.

Let's see if that stablehand is anywhere to be found. Probably sleeping in the hayloft again. I hear he's been milking the cows behind my back (If you know what I mean). PocketBeetle.

[Rowain]

I find your play until now to be very different from game 2, so it makes me wonder.

I agree with that. I have currently 3 people who play/post quite strange for them:

Roland, Pocketbeetle and Serdoa.

But the game is still young and there is still enough time before the first lynch happens

[Serdoa]

Maybe you should simply take 5 minutes more time to write your posts and also sort your thoughts first and then write them down. I know I am not very good in English but I think at least most of the time people understand what I try to say. But in your case MJW I - and I think several others - don't understand a single sentence.

Regarding the game itself: In my opinion if you are on the chopping block and a villager, you should not look for whom to vote in order to not get lynched but

a) for whom to vote who is a wolf and
b) to explain your innocence so that the other players are thinking about if you are really the right one to vote for

Instead you simply put your vote on whoever has the most so that you might get saved. A valid strategy of course but also one which makes it easy to get another villager killed instead of a wolf.

Unrelated to MJW: someone, I forgot who, said it would be best to have 3 people tied on the chopping block because with two the chances are high that both are a villager. Of course with 3 the chances are higher that one is a wolf but doesn't it with 3 on the block not also get much easier for the wolves to swing the vote to a villager because fewer of them are needed for it?