WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Ichabod]

Well, I can prove my role. I'll message someone today and voilá!

[Bobchillingworth]

I forgot Bob. He also stands out, being the only player with a limited-shots ability.

True, but I'm also the only straight-up vig, without compulsive killing or killing as a side effect of doing something else or as a reflexive reaction. There's something to be said for being able to shoot who you want, when you want- with Strongman thrown in to boot.

I'm not sure spacetyrantxenu's ability is going to be 100% effective at ferreting out people who've lied about their roles, though. For instance, my ability name is Levitation. Because Levite -> priests/holy -> pray to give people extra charges. Somehow. We also had Uncanny Luck -> Strongman, and Teleportation -> CPR/Quack Doctor.

This game has a lot of bastard roles- two village SKs and Xenu's power which seems designed to encourage mislynches.

Maybe Bob should kill Novice.

Well, he might die tonight depending on who shot him Night 3- but if he's still around N5 and there's support for it, sure.



Thinking about my own ability, I'm pretty sure there is indeed a scum power blocker of some variety out there, using a fake role-claim- otherwise, why am I Strongman? Unless one of like the two players with claimed protective roles is scum, which is possible, but then Azza would have also been a Strongman whose ability didn't add much value, if it only countered like a single villager. Although like I said this game is full of bastard roles, so I suppose Strongmen who are useful only extremely situationally wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary.



Oh, and my flavor ability name is "Throwdown".

[Serdoa]

On that note, while researching for the above I also found that MJW also stated on N3 that he would go for the obvious target, addressed towards the watcher. That does indicate that he did not kill novice but did watch.

a) I doubt he had again a watcher ability (= I'm not sure he keeps all his power over time)
b) even if he had both abilities why shouldn't he be able to use both?

Still we should not hang ourself on "what scum possible did - or not" but look more towards who is scummy for his play or not.

His role states that if he gets multiple abilities he has to choose one for the night. So

a) he obviously keeps them
b) because his role forbids

Surprised you didn't check his role description.

[Qgqqqqq]

Yes, a "no result" typically indicates that you were blocked or that your ability didn't produce a result (for example a tracker tracking someone who didn't move).

Ryan says he got a result though, and it was that I can't kill. He did not claim to get a no result.

What is the mistake I've made that you find very odd?

He got the result "negative" which is the same one I've got every night. I think it is probably intended to mean the equivalent to no result.

[Rowain]

His role states that if he gets multiple abilities he has to choose one for the night. So

a) he obviously keeps them
b) because his role forbids

Aehm no. He might get multiple actions because multiple actions are used against him (for example heal + kill ).

[Serdoa]

Aehm no. He might get multiple actions because multiple actions are used against him (for example heal + kill ).

Aehm yes.

Polymorphism
You must consume all. You must become all. Until you have all of the power in the world, you cannot stop gaining.... absorbing.... becoming....
This is a passive ability. If any ability is used against you, after its effect is resolved, you will then have the capability to use that ability on future nights. If you end up having multiple abilities to choose from on a later night, you may only use up to one of them per night.

If you end up having multiple abilities to choose from on a later night, you may only use up to one of them per night.

So he can gain multiple abilities over several nights but has to choose one per night to use.

[novice]

As much as I'm enjoying seeing the two of you bicker: Rowain's point was that a SK using the watcher ability on MJW (and no other abilities) would only confer the watcher ability to MJW.

[Serdoa]

Ok, lets recap. I said MJW probably watched night 3. Rowain did question that, stating that he

a) doubts that MJW still has a watcher ability -> role description clearly indicates that he keeps abilities when once used on him
b) doesn't see a reason why MJW wouldn't use both abilities -> role description clearly indicates that he can only use one per night

I explained that and Rowain replied with no. Rereading he seemed to indicate that multiple actions have to be used on the same night on MJW in order for him to have them available the next night, but his role description does state:

"If any ability is used against you, after its effect is resolved, you will then have the capability to use that ability on future nights"

Emphasis on the last word: nightS. Not night. So clearly he keeps them for the rest of the game.

So I could ask again why he didn't check the role description, but I asked that already and the reply was obviously not to read it thoroughly but instead to brush of my explanation as wrong when clearly it isn't. Bad style.

(And yes, that one sentence from Rowain that I'm free to lynch now did basically push him for me from a town read to a scum read. That was such a completely non-needed sentence that I have not the slightest idea why town would ever post it.)

[BRickAstley]

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[zakalwe]

On that note, while researching for the above I also found that MJW also stated on N3 that he would go for the obvious target, addressed towards the watcher. That does indicate that he did not kill novice but did watch. So I think novices kill is not to be attributed to him either. Of course he could have changed his mind later, but for now I would assume he has not.

We can only speculate about this, but I feel it is quite likely that his talk about going after the obvious target, and posting RYAN in huge letters, was just a feint to dissuade anyone from killing Ryan, and that his actual action was to kill Novice. But if you believe that he was off to watch someone instead, you should note that two players who definitely did visit Novice on N3 were Ryan and Sunrise.