LURZKERS THREAD (for siege of the dragon)

[Tasunke]

I mean based on how many sign up.

[Bigger]

I don't think its a big deal that they didn't know they couldnt kill the dragon. I doubt their kills would have changed much... possibly they would have used Rowain's kill day 2 on MJW instead of me, and used lewwyn's kill on the dragon.. but I don't think Rowain was positive at that point that I wasn't the dragon, so maybe not.

Night kill immunity is pretty standard for SK's anyway.. or at least one-time night kill immunity.

Sorry Bigger but the decision what we would have changed or not is ours and for sure not yours. So please shut up about what you are sure we would have done.

Besides it is not a onetime nightkill immunity. It is a can't be killed by a single assassination, can't be killed by poison or fire-attack (our first 2 attacks ) needs either revenge-kill or Blade-attack + knife attack. Now the last one is impossible as Lewwyn only gets his Blade attack when I + Qg are dead and I 'm the one with the Knives. In short either I use the revenge-kill or both blades on the Dragon or we can't kill him.
Its no problem to make him hard to kill but we should at least have knowledge about that.

Bigger you were obv scum and your whole reaction made it clear that you were not alone. Had you attacked/lynched Selrahc you would have survived. Your sole luck was that Lewwyn was not available at that time and you found enough cowards that pile on someone who had absolutly no chance to defend/fakeclaim or what ever.

as far as I can tell, thestick was completely night-kill immune as SK (from fire and poison and knives and witchcraft and everything else) in ww17, and no one but him knew this, yet no one in any faction bitched about it then. How exactly would your play have differed if you knew?

I think you're just a bit defensive because you clearly had the strongest faction of the 4 (including villagers) and yet managed to get yourselves lynched 1-2-3 in every possible lynch

[Bigger]

also, unless the dragon has some super ability we aren't aware of yet, I don't see how you can call him overpowered. In fact, I'd say all 3 factions are stronger than him. The night kill immunity a SK usually gets is meant to overcome its obvious weakness - he is one against the world, it is very difficult to win as SK.

I'd rank the faction strengths (based on what I know and can guess about the villagers) as hunters -> village -> ww -> dragon. That's just my opinion, though.

[zakalwe]

Your sole luck was that Lewwyn was not available at that time and you found enough cowards that pile on someone who had absolutly no chance to defend/fakeclaim or what ever.

[Rowain]

I think you're just a bit defensive because you clearly had the strongest faction of the 4 (including villagers) and yet managed to get yourselves lynched 1-2-3 in every possible lynch

We had no way to prevent lynches so that can happen. What does anger me is the Lewwyn-lynch. Attacking soneone during the last 30 minutes of the day when you know he is asleep and can't defend is cowardish. Had he been under pressure during the day I won't have a problem with it but so. And while I can understand you and Selrahc doing it my opinion of Zak and Matt is now a bit lower.

What I do wonder is if killing SC instead of MJW would have been better. But that was a late night rush decision done for Lewwyn to not hold up the game for several hours. (as he wasn't in danger he didn't leave any orders).

also, unless the dragon has some super ability we aren't aware of yet, I don't see how you can call him overpowered. In fact, I'd say all 3 factions are stronger than him. The night kill immunity a SK usually gets is meant to overcome its obvious weakness - he is one against the world, it is very difficult to win as SK.

I already said that the powers of the Hunters compared to the wolves seem far superior. But there is principle. If he is complete NK-immune fine. If he is only lynchable fine. But a he is killable if you use both daggers on him (how would I have done that btw?) or you are the last wolf standing is sh*t.

Nobody bitched about WW17 as thestick did quit on day2 so his power didn't play any role whatsoever. Doesn't change that it was too powerfull compared to his co-scum. Yes he is alone but he can play as villager and hunt wolves all along and his immunity prevents any nightattacks. He can play a great village game and kill.

[Rowain]

So, anybody up for a game where scum hunting is a town tell and the town is not at Lynch or Lose on day 1? Will it have to wait until after christmas?

I would be up to either play or even GM an absolute bonedry WW-game. = 16 player 4 wolves, 3 PR at max nothing else.
But yes it has to wait till after the holidays.

[uberfish]

Wolf pretty much has to kill one of the elementals

Dragon can kill wolf if he thinks he can get waterbat lynched in endgame.

If I was an elemental I'd have spent most of the day calling waterbat scum even though I thought he was town just to encourage the dragon to go for this scenario

[Rowain]

and since tasunke is hinting about it, I should clarify this: we could not kill the dragon on night 1 or two. now that there is only one wolf left, that wolf was given a "power up" that he is not blocked by passive immunities. since we don't kill by poison or fire, I'm assuming that only matters to the dragon.

Nope I had Immunity to WW's as passive ( and immuniity to trackers too)

[Bigger]

Wolf pretty much has to kill one of the elementals

Dragon can kill wolf if he thinks he can get waterbat lynched in endgame.

If I was an elemental I'd have spent most of the day calling waterbat scum even though I thought he was town just to encourage the dragon to go for this scenario

hah, good call, that worked well for me in our AitP game .

I think the dragon is more vulnerable than the last wolf here, but I guess we'll see if the dragon will kill . I know who the wolf is killing, obviously, but not the dragon.

Rowain, as you point out, I wasn't attacking lewwyn at all. I preferred lynching Slowcheetah, and you 2nd. Lewwyn actually would have been my 4th choice. Perhaps if you had voted serdoa instead of me on day 3 we could have gotten that lynch :P. Anyway Zak started the lewwyn bandwagon, and with the last minute chaos it was him or me, so we had no choice.

as for your MJW kill, that was absolutely the right choice. maybe slowcheetah instead of me. but if you don't kill MJW day 2, there is no way the village loses. none of scum have a chance. (neither wolves nor dragon had anyway to kill MJW with Ichabod the role-blocker dead).

[Rowain]

Wolf pretty much has to kill one of the elementals

Dragon can kill wolf if he thinks he can get waterbat lynched in endgame.

If I was an elemental I'd have spent most of the day calling waterbat scum even though I thought he was town just to encourage the dragon to go for this scenario

I think Mattimeo will go after Serdoa no matter what so Serdragoa can't win a 3way with waterbat+matt+him. A Dragon waterbat might do that. Or perhaps WB found another poisson arrow somewhere. Or there are some more revenge-kills possible.
The best result would be if they all kill themself and nobody survives