[Spoiler PB62] Vanrober in a new chapter learning from Miguelito

[vanrober]

notsure if we have time to whip efficiently or not. We can drywhip 2 axes/spears next turn, not sure which is better, maybe even spears since he is bringing some chariots, but axes should have more odds vs skirmishers either way, i lean to axes, 

It seems this turn he burns or take Boron, then we have one time for him to go 1 south and fork H and He, And then he will decide for one of those, i guess to He since it has the copper, but who knows.

so lets speack with turns.

Turn 64 he gets boron. If we dywhip we will have 1 spear and a warrior and an axe in He turn 65 and an axe spear ready to get there turn 66.

Turn 65 he go 1 south and see both cities. In the efficient way we whip that turn getting 30h overflow to get another axe in turn 67 in He. I think thats the best option, that would mean we have 1 warrior 2 axes and 2 spears turn 76 ready to defend. According to vodka that means 6% atacking victory. The problem is, what if he has a couple of workers to road towards us and get to us 1 turn faster with most his stack? then we are screwed.

I think im gonna take the risk, if he is as screwed with worker turns as we are, and even more having more cities, i think its pretty safe...

Also im mad and i told him i am. 

   

Afterwards i asked him for white peace. If he doesnt get it (he wont). ill make my best for him to lose any hope for the game. It seems Nau and I will be besties for the rest of the game and we will push (hopefully) into mjmd in 10sh turns afterwards. Ill rush construction, he is so far in tech, so i really hope we handle to get to cats and kill him afterwards.

Im still waiting for your imput and probably helping chilling me out. I have "warm blood" (I hope you can say it in english, in spanish we say we are de sangre caliente, when you are easily getting mad and angry) But i also have the hability to cool down quite easy after a few hours.

Also i need to think what if he burns Boron and asks afterwards for peace? would we take it? mmm hard questions i guess.
e: I moved the boron workers towards the silver, we will need happy to keep whiping as hard as we will need if this war gets real. Then i guess we will chop out units. But i would want to get maths first. I guess thats a dream though

[Cornflakes]

I have "warm blood" (I hope you can say it in english, in spanish we say we are de sangre caliente, when you are easily getting mad and angry) But i also have the hability to cool down quite easy after a few hours.

In English we would say that you are "hot-headed".

[vanrober]

I have "warm blood" (I hope you can say it in english, in spanish we say we are de sangre caliente, when you are easily getting mad and angry) But i also have the hability to cool down quite easy after a few hours.

In English we would say that you are "hot-headed".

Ohw thanks for that!

[Miguelito]

It seems like we ran into this somewhat naively. Sorry for my part in not being sufficiently alert.

To be fair, we are the only team who had not been in a war yet. Possibly our peaceful course just wasn't feasible on this map. I am not sure if I agree with Mjmd's reasoning here - I guess that he does not like Boron taking the sheep, but he has to accept that we will want to settle a city 3 tiles away from our capital. If he thinks he can for complete elimination I think we should teach him better. Maybe it's possible if he is actually co conspiring with naufragar?
But yes, atm I'm all for war against Mjmd unto death. Losing Boron we are out of the game, let's just try and take him with us.

Giving him OB and then not sending a scout was a mistake, although I think when we took it we did not know of the naufragar peace yet?

Without logging in, I would hope we can do without dry whipping. If we 2pop whip axes/spears we can build 2 of them within 3 turns. With a drywhip we get 1 in 1 turn and then we're out of steam.
A spear should normally be able to take care of 3 or even more chariots, and we have a few. So mostly axes now.

Boron I think will be auto razed? It had not grown yet right?
No peace unless we keep Boron or have resettled it/have the settler ready to plant the very same turn. He must not get that spot.

[vanrober]

more news, Tarkvac sending OB... we cannot scout them. what should we do?

   

True, it will be autorazed

I trust to be frinds with Nau, we didnt betrayal hima nd Mjmd razed one of his cities, so i really cant see a world in which he help mjmd taking us down instead of the reverse.

[Miguelito]

OB only for liberating Indianapolis :D
I don't know if we should accept or ignore. I guess he's too far away to attack us? Maybe he even is considering an attack on Mjmd?

[vanrober]

OB only for liberating Indianapolis :D
I don't know if we should accept or ignore. I guess he's too far away to attack us? Maybe he even is considering an attack on Mjmd

Idk, i have no clue with what to do, i feel so bad about OB in general. Mjmd took the advantage of seeing the lightly defended border to push in it. I was afraid of tha tin PB56 too, and he said he just wanted a safe border, we didnt even make any tension i didnt even push on culture, i didnt  settle on his face to avoid this... Like i could have taken the advantage of CRE while he is taking the advantage of IMP, but with the aim of having a nice border and nice neighbour i didnt settle on his face... If i knew this...

So im not sure on Tarkeel, we wont be able to make any vision any time soon with him nor getting TR, maybe he gets our TR soon with sailing or something like that? Idk, i wouldnt like to be one of those that help the guy wining... but if that means he will see us with angry face too....

[vanrober]

I hope we dont cross post but Im doubting some micro:

First option seems the most defensive, but im afraid of being too whiped and too angry in that city. 

   

This seems best long term, getting a barracs in the capitol to then whip some units out of the OF of the barracs with extra promo.

   

[Miguelito]

I think OB with Tarvac ultimately don't matter much. But don't worry about kingmaking; our goal here is to hurt Mjmd as best as we can, and if good relations with the game leader help us with that then why not.

Well Mjmd saw an opportunity and tried to seize it. Can't really blame him, although I hope we can still prove him wrong. If he really wants to just raze Boron then that's the Commodorian small injury that he needed to deal us in order to gain a mortal enemy.

[Miguelito]

yup, crosspost.
I think it has to be option 1. I really don't think we can afford a barracks now, need to push him back asap.