WW22 - Diaries of the Madmen

[zakalwe]

@Zak

1) all I remember reading from you yesterday are comments along the lines of "this is a good point, but..." That's why I called you out for fence sitting.

2) you had one late night vote on you, from Tasunke. Why are you more concerned about this than the actual mislynch?

3) Tasunke clearly hasn't bothered to read day 1 properly. If he's scum all he had to do to give a convincing impression of this was to... well, not bother to read day 1 properly. I'm not giving him any town points for that.

1) This is a good point, but it's not my fault that you have a selective memory. (Seriously, though. I disagree. That's really all I can say.)

2) My concern wasn't just about the vote on me, but also with what can only be described as irrational play. That does tie in with the mislynch; more on this below.

3) My point was more that he would pretend to be caught up, even if he wasn't. I.e. he would be more likely to parrot sentiments like "Q is suspicious for his miller claim" than to ask questions like "someone claimed miller?". But whatever.

So about the irrational play. I was planning to follow up on that earlier, but the forum went down right after my time-shifted post. And even after it came back I was told I had to wait another 6600 seconds before posting again, lest I overload the server with spam. Anyway, here is what Novice said, in his inebriated state:

Frankly I doubt we have a seer. It's unlikely a priori (too unfun for scum), and if we had one there's a decent chance he'd have claimed already with all the pressure going around. So Q could be lying but Jkaen's claim is a null tell to me.

While the conclusion could well be correct here (that we have no seer), the argument is seriously flawed. There were three people who had not claimed: me, Uberfish, and Tasunke, and none of us had felt much pressure at all. That's obviously no coincidence; people generally don't claim if they don't get pressured. So to conclude from that that there's no seer makes no sense to me. Still, people were evidently willing to agree with Novice even if what he said made no sense.

Now, the player who really took this line of thinking to heart was Gazglum. Building on Novice's argument, he reasoned as follows.

First repeating the argument from Novice without commenting on the glaring flaw:

SO if we have a seer, its one of the last three. And you think they might have claimed already if they were?

Now I'm doubting myself on Jkaen then. If we're making a mistake, we might be getting rid of our only detecting role.

Next, repeating Uber's argument against me:

I'm doubting Jkaen more now, because Uber has pointed out Zak's fencesitting and it has got me suspicious of him. If Zak is scum, then he's done a little dance and ended the day on what is potentially the only town detecting role.

And finally, when justifying his vote for Azza:

2. I doubt Zak now, and he parked on Jkaen.

This from the guy who started out by saying:

So maybe we should have a look for the mysterious Third Man tomorrow as well.

But then, you know, lynch Jkaen.

Notice the circular argument. I'm suspicious for voting Jkaen, and Jkaen is innocent because I'm voting for him.

If anybody did a little dance here, it was Gazglum.

[novice]

There was more to my reasoning than what I spelled out, but your attack on Gaz is still valid since he didn't expand on my reasoning.

[novice]

Well surprised azza didn't turn scum.

Well I am going to be under all sorts of pressure tomorrow, but we should at least be able to prove I am a tracker even if alignment is open. There are two options, either I choose who I feel best, or we choose who I will follow and I go with the majority.

Either way please let me post my results before revealing anything from the night actions tomorrow

Yes, let's remember to let JKaen do this.

I guess I might be dead soon. I would probably lynch Ryan tomorrow. I guess he and Gazglum are my biggest suspects, not by a big margin though.

My reasoning about a seer isn't important enough to post now - I want to hear how Gaz responds to Zak's inquiries instead.

[Tasunke]

I feel like if we lynch Ryan it will be just like lynching all the drones ;_; ... even if lynching Azza was the most drone-lynchy.

[Ryan]

Okay waste another lynch :P, I dont see the point. I even defended him yesterday and told u guys not to vote him.

[uberfish]

Will someone kindly shoot Tasunke for being useless?

[Qgqqqqq]

+1
Headsup that I'll be put of town most of tomorrow.

[Ryan]

you guys lynched Azza for stupid meta reasons and now your going to lynch me for the same. I forced gagzulm off Azza yesterday with my double vote by voting him. If I was scum, why would I have defendd Azza forced you guys to vote someone else. I go to bed others urge you guys back on Azza then mislynch him. If you still wanna lynch me cause I am the puppet master after all of this. No point even defending .

[Qgqqqqq]

It wasn't meta.
Read my crosspost.
Rather gazglum then Ryan tomorrow.

[Ryan]

Just give me a solid reason of why I am a good target to lynch. Besides from being puppet master.