October 26th, 2015, 06:21
(This post was last modified: October 26th, 2015, 06:21 by AdrienIer.)
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Next turn we turn the slider back on. 4t at 100% for constitution but I think there won't be enough gold for 4t of 100%, so I'll probably have to use some wealth builds. In other news Sian revolted into Emancipation mercantilism and free religion (from the Paya), and has a pretty big GNP now.
October 26th, 2015, 07:03
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Wow, so Sian has passed retep in score? How would you rank them atm (and us)?
October 26th, 2015, 07:12
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They're almost even I think, Sian has more land and is finishing his GA which is what got him score bumps. Retep will get that score lead back with libing astro (which I'm pretty sure is his plan). We're about to rise thanks to the double GA, ask me again where we stand after the GAs are over
October 26th, 2015, 07:17
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Part of the score increase is also the land points from Grimaceland kicking in
October 27th, 2015, 07:37
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Sian wants to attack next turn I think. Very well.
Well I'm playing both sides.
Yesterday I realized that I was wrong. Sian is at least as strong as Retep now. Technologically he has aesthetics drama music gunpowder and nationalism up on him, while Retep only has compass education and code of law. 277+277+554+1386+2079-322-647-2079=1525 beakers. Retep has more gold in the banks and may have started another tech already but he's not the tech leader anymore. Retep has only 13 cities to my 14 and Sian's 16. He has the pyramids and the great lighthouse to make up for that but he's not really the runaway. The demos say that both Retep and Sian have huge military, but Sian is going to get cuirs soon. In any case I'm not sure I can do much besides handing over Retepland to Sian.
Look at both entry points into Arabia :
The second one is too slow for an effective strike. The first one will see us and Sian race for Medina, and he'll have an easier time getting there. Once he takes Kufah (and the pyramids) he's on a direct route to Medina. Even if I take Anjar quickly I need one of Aden or Najran to access it. I doubt I can take two cities before Sian's enormous army takes one, so he'll be first to Medina. From there I can't really take Mecca without being in a similar situation to what Sian has in the south : completely exposed to flanking.
Here's the south. I think that if I do it right I can take 4 cities on the first turn of the war (one in former Grimaceland).
I don't think I can, or want to attack Sian in the next two or three turns, but if Retep responds to my proposal I'll prepare my troops for an assault in less than 5t.
October 27th, 2015, 08:37
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If war, then definitely Sian should be the target. The question is, do we attack right away when war between the two of them breaks out, or do we wait for the first fights to happen and jump in then. The risk is of course that they make fast peace without really trading units and then move both on us. We should really use OB to scout Sian's land.
October 27th, 2015, 08:43
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Oh and isn't 1e of Archimedes a nice staging tile that forms both Sian cities and can't be seen from his borders? Even better if you have two workers ready to road 1nw of Euclid on the first war turn
October 27th, 2015, 08:48
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I intend to wait ~2t after war breaks so Sian gets time to move all units to the Retep side of things. If the turn order was me->Sian->Retep I could declare war on Retep, send an immediate 10t peace offer, let Sian put all his guys in, thinking I'm going to war against Retep, and on the next turn Retep and I are at peace and Sian is trapped. But Retep plays before Sian so I'll have to find something else.
October 27th, 2015, 08:52
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(October 27th, 2015, 08:43)Miguelito Wrote: Oh and isn't 1e of Archimedes a nice staging tile that forms both Sian cities and can't be seen from his borders? Even better if you have two workers ready to road 1nw of Euclid on the first war turn
Why road that tile ? The tile 1N of it is already roaded and in our territory. But yes I already moved the knight stack south (30 of them now) to make this possible, while keeping in range of Retep's territory in case he doesn't send good signals. I've been acting in a pretty hostile way recently and he may even have city visibility on me now so I can't just count on his cooperation.
October 28th, 2015, 08:53
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Well I think that's a good sign !
An even better sign is that he stopped spending EP on me, so I got his graphs back. They show that he has whipped his empire rather heavily to match Sian's rise in power. His production has particularly weakened.
I can't attack in 2t because my troops aren't ready (especially in the west, in former Grimaceland), but I'll send him a message next turn to give him my invasion date.
Moses spawned at the end of turn, which means I'm guaranteed to have a different GP in 3t for a full 18t of GA !
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