American Politics Discussion Thread

[Mjmd]

Yes establishing a puppet or pro your side regime is always permanent and never backfires at all even when you do manage to do it.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Peace treaty not happening with son being new supreme leader. Bad news for GOP so Senate goes to tilt R. Consider moving it to tilt D if paxton wins.

If Trump was smart he would have instructed Israel to kill supreme leader and then pushed son's buttons to provoke a war to avoid responsibility. This would cause some extra American lives but I don't think he cares about that...

[greenline]

People are going to take issue with gas being at $3.50 and rising much more than they will with the causus belli.

[darrelljs]

There has never been a less popular war this early in. Maybe all is not lost for America.

Darrell

[T-hawk]

People are going to take issue with gas being at $3.50 and rising much more than they will with the causus belli.

Yup. Trump is usually smart enough to keep the economy going as much as possible, since that's what people vote for over most all else. Really weird that he'd do this this close to the midterms. Best guess I can make is that he thought it would be an overnight operation like Venezuela, likely from incorrect advice. This needs to wrap up in like a couple weeks at most (which is still very much possible) or the Republicans will get crushed in the midterms, and they're already going to lose significantly.

[MJW (ya that one)]

People are going to take issue with gas being at $3.50 and rising much more than they will with the causus belli.

I agree they don't care about the morality of the action, I just think Trump could have avoided taking the blame for this.

[Mjmd]

I mean leader thinks "the population will rise up and everything will work out great" is a classic. Again, does it happen. Sure. But there are a vast number of historical counter examples.

[Charr Babies]

Nope, there isn’t a single “happily ever after” story in any of the US invasions. Anyone who still thinks the US is a benevolent state doesn’t know history.

I don't think the United States of Israel will be getting a ceasefire from Iran anytime soon. The election of the son is already a message - neither he nor Iran is willing to forget the killing of his family or their religious leader. That alone signals a hard line.The USI didn’t just go a bridge too far; it burned the thing behind it.

After everything that’s happened, it’s difficult to see why Iran would take the USI assurances seriously ever again. They were hit twice in the middle of what were presented as negotiations, a pattern that turns “diplomacy” into little more than stagecraft. When governments insist they’re acting in good faith while their actions say the opposite, the contradiction doesn’t need commentary; it exposes itself. At that point, peace and survival isn’t secured by empty promises, and certainly not by the kind of guarantees already undermined by deception. 

I don’t think we are going to get away with Trump walking away with his 1001 ever evolving excuses pulling a TACO. This time the USI don't get to dictate when the war stops. Iran should know another ceasefire can only mean letting the USI regroup, rearm to attack it again. There will never be peace until the USI is forced to face consequences it can’t brush aside - the kind that finally curb its appetite for repeat offenses. It is time for Iran to teach the USI a lesson that would make them think twice before attacking again. 

If Iran wasn’t already moving toward a nuclear deterrent, it wouldn’t surprise me if it is now. And who could blame them?

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[superdeath]

Nope, there isn’t a single “happily ever after” story in any of the US invasions. Anyone who still thinks the US is a benevolent state doesn’t know history.

I don't think the United States of Israel will be getting a ceasefire from Iran anytime soon. The election of the son is already a message - neither he nor Iran is willing to forget the killing of his family or their religious leader. That alone signals a hard line.The USI didn’t just go a bridge too far; it burned the thing behind it.

After everything that’s happened, it’s difficult to see why Iran would take the USI assurances seriously ever again. They were hit twice in the middle of what were presented as negotiations, a pattern that turns “diplomacy” into little more than stagecraft. When governments insist they’re acting in good faith while their actions say the opposite, the contradiction doesn’t need commentary; it exposes itself. At that point, peace and survival isn’t secured by empty promises, and certainly not by the kind of guarantees already undermined by deception. 

I don’t think we are going to get away with Trump walking away with his 1001 ever evolving excuses pulling a TACO. This time the USI don't get to dictate when the war stops. Iran should know another ceasefire can only mean letting the USI regroup, rearm to attack it again. There will never be peace until the USI is forced to face consequences it can’t brush aside - the kind that finally curb its appetite for repeat offenses. It is time for Iran to teach the USI a lesson that would make them think twice before attacking again. 

If Iran wasn’t already moving toward a nuclear deterrent, it wouldn’t surprise me if it is now. And who could blame them?

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I agree that if Iran doesnt already have a nuclear deterrent or equivalent (or any other nation that is a bit angry at times) it will be using every means that it can to acquire one ASAP... However, Iran really doesnt have any meaningful way to "teach the .. "USI" a lesson" outside of preventing travel via the strait. 


I personally would rather Iran and Israel just kinda blow each other up and get it over with, but since our current dumbass in power has decided this was the thing to do.. might as well go full force and carpet bomb them back to the stone age (basically just knocking power out for them). But this does give a nice distraction from the Epstein files, and whatever is still happening in Ukraine with Russia's failed invasion.

[Charr Babies]

 However, Iran really doesnt have any meaningful way to "teach the .. "USI" a lesson" outside of preventing travel via the strait. 

It's not always about who has the bigger penis. There’s no doubt the U.S. has more firepower and that Iran would pay a heavy price. The problem is that Iran is ready to pay that price, while the US would pay far more in lost credibility internationally and shaken stability domestically.

Lessons are being taught to those smart enough to learn. And most of the price the US has to pay comes out of its soft power. Maybe I will write about it when I have the time. For now, all you need to think about
- How is this different from the Iraq invasion, when the entire mafia piled on (a walk in the park, as you put it), but now the USI is going it alone?

- Think of the countries hosting US bases - are they having second thoughts? 

- Think of the cost to the global community, especially allies who end up getting bombed.

- Think of what it has already cost: $11.3 billion in the first six days of operations, before counting a month of staging and an estimated $1 billion per day afterward.

- And what did all that (well spent) money buy us? We spent 20 years in Afghanistan to replace the Taliban with… the Taliban. We spent 20 years in Vietnam only to put the communists in power.

- Take Dubai as just one example. We’ve damaged an economy that took decades of investment and effort to build, stripping it of its reputation as a safe haven. Money is already moving elsewhere.

Lessons are being taught to those smart enough to learn; it seems the US isn’t learning them.

I personally would rather Iran and Israel just kinda blow each other up and get it over with, but since our current dumbass in power has decided this was the thing to do.. might as well go full force and carpet bomb them back to the stone age .....

I’m curious - if you think Israel deserves to be wiped out (along with Iran), what makes you believe we’re any better?

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