Actually if Rowain or Pindicator want to roleclaim some kind of info role they need to survive for, I can cover either of you too. Novice I just...I'm just not ready to commit there yet. Apologies old friend.
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[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves
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Gaz, if you are town, asking the most likely townies to tell you who has an info-role is not really sense.
1) If they answer, you've given scum additional information to decide whom to kill - keeping them guessing is much smarter 2) If scum knows that you are protecting Adrien, they can freely kill Rowain, pindi or novice - keeping them guessing is much smarter 3) If scum has some role-power to block, reverse, drive around, punch through they don't care about your power anyhow, but if your protectee dies, you look really bad if everything was already presented beforehand - keeping them guessing is much smarter So, let them keep guessing.
Ah, do I want advice from this quarter? The point is i can protect the info role one night. But I don't think it matters much anyway.
I'm not one for deadline posting and as I have no idea if I'll be round, I suppose I should put up my post about why you are clearly a Munchkin, Ser-Doa. Apologies as ever, in the unlikely event that it turns out you're not.
No, that's fine. Leaving aside some wolf-trickery play (which would be Rowain and Adrien deciding to bus WK for no reason I could find), you only have a few players to choose from. Funnily enough, if the Grognard was not part of the WK-voters, than there actually is only one villager between us 4, and I know that I am one.
Just think about one point Gaz: If I am a wolf and Lewwyn is a wolf, do you realize that means that you believe that the wolf-team did in full force vote for you? I'm fine if you think I'm a wolf, I voted you after all so as villager, that thought is natural. But do you really think I am more likely a wolf than Lewwyn? And yes, Lewwyn and SD are my current top suspects. I don't see WK joining on you if you are a wolf, for the reason that it doesn't help wolves to bus one of theirs in the situation we had yesterday. So, most likely explanation is that you are not a wolf. Which as I know I am not one only leaves those two. If you want to lynch me first, fine, you'll be at 2-2-1 the next day (if no add. nightkills happen) and then just remember what I wrote here and vote accordingly. Btw: I still don't know what to do with the scroll. I believe the general consensus goes towards "I don't care", with two players being rather in favour of using it. I also don't expect it to be in any form a "don't lynch Serdoa"-item, that makes obviously no sense, if you believe I am a wolf you would lynch me regardless, I said that already in N1 though.  SER GAZ DE GLUM'S DIVINE SMITE OF JUSTICE So we have three non-players left. I am confident that:
Day 1 - The Careless Kill Serdoa tried to pick a fight with Adrien over what seemed to me like minutia. He voted Thrawn, then I think Pindicator, then after Thrawn came back and bleated like a lost sheep, Serdoa returned to put the hammer down on him. I had voted Thrawn too, but I think it was a worse vote once Thrawn had returned. Especially because of something I only realised on re-read: Serdoa was watching the vote tally closely at lynch, he posted 296 pointing out Commodore’s maths error. (October 26th, 2020, 11:51)Serdoa Wrote: 5 votes for thrawn but only 4 names listed? Is that an error or is some power at work here? Yet while studying this he didn’t notice that Thrawn wasn’t even voting to save himself? Not very munchkin-like behaviour from Thrawn. But that was when Serdoa became convinced of his evil and voted him, which after Pindis' switch led to Thrawn's lynch on the 0.1 tiebreaker. (That 0.1 vote came from either Serdoa or SuperDeath, but it didnt' appear on Day 2. So it must only activate as a tie-breaker power from one of them). The Thrawn vote isn't damning, but it was bad, as Pindi and Adrien said at the time, and Serdoa repeats it next day. NIGHT 1 - The Greedy Hands Night 1, Serdoa was clear he wanted the scroll which he is now reluctant to use. I suggested that holding it was dangerous – munchkins killing the owner would silence two strong town voices for the price of one. Serdoa seemed so confident that I assumed he must have the Hider power. But now I think no, he just knew he would not be night-killed because he is a munchkin. If Serdoa does later claim Hider, and Superdeath claims not to have the 0.1 vote power, then one of them is lying. If Serdoa does not claim Hider, why did he think he was safe with the scroll? And for someone so keen to have the scroll, Serdoa now seems reluctant to use it. He also attacked me for talking up it's importance, when he was the one who pushed hard to have it in the first place! He also at this point said that Rowain and I (and Tarkeel) were the people he was not inclined to vote for Day 2. DAY 2 - The False Quiet Serdoa opened with an apparent post-restriction. I don’t believe there ever was such a post restriction. First, a 12 hour post-restriction in a 48 hour day is a pointless and weird power compared to the others we’ve seen. Second, we’ve already had two communication related powers with Lewwyn/Warriorknight, is there really a third? Third, nobody claimed it. Fourth, if scum DID have a post restriction power, why use it on Serdoa? Fifth, I suspect we shall not see anybody else claiming locked-lips tomorrow morning. So why would Serdoa pretend this? Because his Thrawn vote end of Day 1 looked so bad, he wanted to lie low until the conversation had moved on. And Adrien did ask about Thrawn Quote:I wanted to talk more about your last minute thrawn vote, but it's going to be tough if you can only post votes... And Serdoa did answer to be fair, in 465. But he was aggressive at Adrien, saying it was scummy to bring it up, and by then Thrawn was half-forgotten anyway. At the end of Day 2, after saying Night 1 that Rowain and I were the two people he did not see himself voting for, Serdoa made an opportunistic vote on me once Lewwyn and WarriorKnight had laid hte groundwork. He said, among other things, that I had been over the top in refusing the scroll from Novice and Lewwyn. Which, fine if he genuinely thought it scummy, except this had already happened Night 1! And after that whole discussion had ended, Serdoa had put me in his town-leans as one of the three people he did not suspect of being a munchkin: (October 27th, 2020, 03:28)Serdoa Wrote: I'm fine with Tarkeel, that is someone I do not see myself voting tomorrow indeed, partly because I like what he writes, partly because I have no feel for him yet. So Day 2, Serdoa is retroactively making a case he did not believe in at the time, because with the Lewwyn and Warriorknight vote, it now looks like I might hang. The rest of his case against me seems piggybacking off Lewwyn’s already flimsy case that I am out of focus or such. ANd when Serdoa unveils his Big Leans post at the end of Day 2, it hedges on almost everyone. Post #627 if you want to read it, but it pretty much summarises as:
Anyway, this is all minor stuff. Serdoa was caught out again at deadline. Near deadline, I moved up at a comfortable lead at 4 votes (Lewwyn, Warriorknight, Serdoa, Pindicator). Then Serdoa switched off me to vote Pindicator, perhaps because he didn’t want wolves all bunched together if I flipped innocent. But when Pindicator’s switch back to Warriorknight put Warriorknight in the lead, Serdoa ran straight back to me, claiming his vote for Pindicator was some kind of ruse??? That would make me and WK 3 votes each, so if Serdoa is the one with the tiebreak power, and it's him or Superdeath, it means he would have used ut to kill an innocent Glum, just the same as he did to Thrawn the last moment of Day 1. Except in this case, Novice saved the day and exposed that Serdoa was bizarrely reversing his vote last second at deadline to try and save a Munchkin. THE FUTURE - A Good Rogue is a Dead Rogue Serdoa's played a good game and took me in completely at first, but he is definitely a Munchkin. Even if you don't agree about the weakness of his attack on me or Thrawn, his deadline behaviour is completely damning. On top of that, he doesn’t want to bring back a proven town voice. How much more comically anti-town can you get? He is a loot hoarding, roguish, kill-stealing, Munchkin. Serdoa will want to waste time quibbling the margins. Instead I would ask him this - what is the alternative explanation for everything that has happened this game? Since WarriorKnight was scum, what were his teammates doing at that deadline? The only possible scum team I can see without involving the Glum voters would be Me + WarriorKnight + Superdeath. That assumes all three of us were completely incompetent, and the theory can only last if the Munchkins keep me alive to hide my alignment. You are welcome to try, Sers! (October 30th, 2020, 03:36)Serdoa Wrote: No, that's fine. Leaving aside some wolf-trickery play (which would be Rowain and Adrien deciding to bus WK for no reason I could find), you only have a few players to choose from. Funnily enough, if the Grognard was not part of the WK-voters, than there actually is only one villager between us 4, and I know that I am one. Thankyou for your politeness Ser, you are a pleasure to spar with. Yes I do think the whole wolf team came at me, because as I have said, if you got that mislynch you would have possibly won the game then and there after the Savant modkill. I do think that you are the most likely wolf by far, I will especially think that if you refuse to use the scroll, but I agree that Lewwyn+Superdeath is a -possible- combination. If you are innocent, it is the only one that really makes sense. But in that case I would say to you, Ser, to vote Lewwyn out first. I shall enjoy it if the two of you turn on each otehr tomorrow, though I remind everyone that Lewwyn has form in savaging his scumbuddy all day before jumping onto a backup target last moment.
Gaz, I'm happy to answer this tomorrow in detail (well, kinda ok tbh, but I try to be emphatic to the cases on me because else I know that I'm going to get pissed for being suspected and then I lash out at people and I'd like to not do that this time). I'll just say now that I think that you made several points that are unfair because you try to show why I am scummy and explain it by what others do or do not. I do have one power, not ten, so damning me for all of those being used / not used / differently used then you expect makes little sense. Especially stating that my silence on D2 was somehow a ruse... please, why? It's not that I was quiet D1, it's not that I ignored Adriens case, it's not that I was unwilling to discuss my vote on thrawn - basically, there was nothing that I would gain by claiming to have been silenced - I even made a post with all my answers I wanted to give. And I stated that I don't see it as necessarily scum doing it, so I "robbed" myself of the defense that I can't be scum because they tried to silence me. So whats my gain?
That's also why I've gone back on my read on you Gaz. Not because I suddenly found things bad that I first didn't, but because you tried to build cases around things that felt forced to fit your read and not informing it. (October 30th, 2020, 04:11)Gazglum Wrote: The only possible scum team I can see without involving the Glum voters would be Me + WarriorKnight + Superdeath. That assumes all three of us were completely incompetent, and the theory can only last if the Munchkins keep me alive to hide my alignment. You are welcome to try, Sers! And that one is just unfair as well Gaz. You are making a case on me and your end-point is: It has to be Serdoa, because if I leave everyone who voted me out, the scum-team remaining makes no sense. So, Lewwyn gets a free pass? |
