RBPitboss #2 Athlete4life10 & Kalin

[athlete4life10]

Thank you Cyneheard. Previous posts edited for correction.

[athlete4life10]

Does anybody know what the research bonus for knowing a civ who already knows that tech is? and how it works knowing multiple civs?

[kalin]

Kalin,

Thanks for the input. Working the rice this turn and furs next doesn't do us any good. Sure the extra hammers are nice but it doesn't get the WB faster. However it costs us 2 food which are extremely important to my plan for getting to size 4 asap. Without those 2 food it delays size 4 a turn which screws everything up . So I'd say stick with rice till size 2 then work furs and plains/forest until the plan says to go back to the rice.

Athlete,

Our plans are almost equivalent, but mine was not detailed enough. Here are the details (for reference: rice is 3F1G, furs are 1F2H1G, netted crabs are 4F3G)

T7: work: 1F2H1G, food bar: 21, WB: 1H

T8: size 2, work: 1F2H1G + 1F2H, food bar: 0, WB: 4H

T9-11: work: 1F2H1G + 1F2H, WB: 9H -> 14H -> 19H

T12: work: 3F1G + 1F2H1G, WB: 24, food bar: 0

T13: work: 3F1G + 1F1H1G, WB: 27, food bar: 2

T14: WB done!, work: 4F3G + 3F1G, food bar: 4 -- note how at this point our plans have converged while in this plan we get 2 more G

T15-17: work: 4F3G + 3F1G, food bar: 9 -> 14 -> 19

T18: size 3, work: 4F3G + 3F1G + 1F2H1G, warrior: 9H (same as your plan)

T19: work 4F3G + 3F1G + 1F2H1G, warrior: 12H, food bar: 4

T20: warrior done, work: 4F3G + 3F1G + 2F1H, food bar: 8

T21-22: work: 4F3G + 3F1G + 2F1H, food bar: 13 -> 18

T23-24: work: 4F3G + 3F1G + 1F2H1G, food bar: 22 -> 26

size 4 at T24

What do you think?

Kalin

[athlete4life10]

Athlete,

Our plans are almost equivalent, but mine was not detailed enough. Here are the details (for reference: rice is 3F1G, furs are 1F2H1G, netted crabs are 4F3G)

T7: work: 1F2H1G, food bar: 21, WB: 1H

T8: size 2, work: 1F2H1G + 1F2H, food bar: 0, WB: 4H

T9-11: work: 1F2H1G + 1F2H, WB: 9H -> 14H -> 19H

T12: work: 3F1G + 1F2H1G, WB: 24, food bar: 0

T13: work: 3F1G + 1F1H1G, WB: 27, food bar: 2

T14: WB done!, work: 4F3G + 3F1G, food bar: 4 -- note how at this point our plans have converged while in this plan we get 2 more G

T15-17: work: 4F3G + 3F1G, food bar: 9 -> 14 -> 19

T18: size 3, work: 4F3G + 3F1G + 1F2H1G, warrior: 9H (same as your plan)

T19: work 4F3G + 3F1G + 1F2H1G, warrior: 12H, food bar: 4

T20: warrior done, work: 4F3G + 3F1G + 2F1H, food bar: 8

T21-22: work: 4F3G + 3F1G + 2F1H, food bar: 13 -> 18

T23-24: work: 4F3G + 3F1G + 1F2H1G, food bar: 22 -> 26

size 4 at T24

What do you think?

Kalin

So to paraphrase your plan looks like this:
T6 fishing in, build wb
T7 work furs
T8 size 2 reached, work furs and plains forest
T12 work rice and furs
T13 Mining in, Tech BW
T14 WB completes, resume warrior, work crabs and rice
At this point you are up 1 Gold
T18 size 3 reached, work crabs, rice and furs
T20 warrior completes, start 2nd warrior, work crabs, rice and Grass/Forest
T22 work crabs, rice and furs
At this point you are down 1 Gold
T24 size 4 reached, BW comes in, adopt slavery, tech pottery, work crabs, rice, furs and grass/forest
Finishing line:
Food = 0/28 Production = 11/15 (warrior) Tech = 22/119 (pottery)

If we complete warrior before starting a worker (1 turn anarchy for slavery as well) which I believe we should then T26 is when we start the worker. Here's the finishing line for T26:
Food = 4/28 Production = 0/60 (worker) Tech = 43/119 (pottery)

Corrected Plan Size 2 production:
T6 fishing in, build WB, switch to furs, tech mining
T8 size 2 reached, work furs and plains/forest
T13 work furs and rice, mining in tech BW
T14 WB completes, resume warrior, work crabs and rice
T18 size 3 reached, work crabs rice and furs
T20 Warrior completes, start 2nd warrior
T24 BW in, tech pottery, adopt slavery ***edit was previously T22 /edit***
T26 size 4 reached, warrior 2 completes,work crabs rice furs and grassland/forest, start worker

My finishing line at T26 when size 4 is reached:
Food = 2/28 Production = 1/60 (worker) Tech = 44/119 (pottery)

2 less food but 1 more hammer and 1 more gold.

At this point I'll agree your plan should be followed up until the start of T20. I still want to take some time to calculate the following turns through a couple of scenarios. How soon should we whip and what not. It's possible the extra food or the extra production/gold could make a difference and I'd like to try and figure it out.

Thanks for the work Kalin!

[athlete4life10]

After rechecking the demogs, I learnt both the Incan's and Mali researched Hunting not Fishing. Seeing as Inca starts with Agriculture I'm guessing they move on to Animal Husbandry.

[athlete4life10]

So Turn 7 played. Switched to Furs (thank you Kalin) and moved SE. Will post a picture of new land next turn.

Also Greece discovered mining so they must be on to BW now. As well there's now a 3rd civ making 19 GNP. Slightly boggling due to the timing. I don't believe anybody can be at size 2 yet (next turn is the earliest) so it has to be a financial civ which begs the question why didn't they work it before? Or did I miss it? I haven't played too close attention to the demogs...Anyways that's one I'm not going to try and figure out.

[athlete4life10]

Checked civstats and the new turn has started. I won't be able to play until probably later tonight. Both Greece and us grew to size 2. At first I saw the score increase and wondered what the hell it could be but figured out it had to be from growth. So nice to know.

[athlete4life10]

I'll log in later and post a screenie. Size 2 reached, working furs and plains/forest. Looks like Greece is doing something similar as well as there are 2 of us at 5 hammers and us 2 being the only ones capable of that.

[athlete4life10]

Screenshot of scouted land. It does look quite nice as Kalin has pointed out. I think we could get 3 nice cities there to take advantage and to block off the land.


Next possible move I was thinking E and then SE, SW, SE depending on discoveries. What do you think Kalin?

And just so I can say we were once the top city in the game here we are:

[athlete4life10]

It also looks like in that screen shot that the coast we're looking out on ends just slightly south of us and this land connects there. I suppose we'll see in a turn or 3.