October 11th, 2011, 19:07
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Similarly, in Pitboss games, it's reverse player order (which is probably the same thing). I got the player order off of CivStats usually (it shows up in the URL Query String as "playernum=1")
October 11th, 2011, 19:24
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Another turn today! Yay! Let's celebrate by doing some more (undoubtedly completely unnecessary and probably useless) food and prod analysis, this time as of Turn 11.
The real save that I ended turn on has me working on the completed cow pasture, which gives me 5 food and 4 prod, 2nd in food and 1st in prod. So we know that Pindicator is (still) working a 3 food tile.
If I work the 0/3/0 PFH, my 2 food is still 4th, which means that one of the 3 civs is also working a 0 food tile (vs. on T10 there were 2 civs doing so). If I swap to a 1/2 plains forest, then my 3 prod is 3rd. So two civs behind me are working 3 prod tiles. One is working the PFH, while yuri is now also working the cow pasture (he's the only one besides me that is Expansive (so got a worker on T8) and has already researched Animal Husbandry.
So here is my best guesses of everyones opening:
Sian: Teched Agriculture T5, T10 completed worker working 3/0/1 FP. Worker is probably farming a floodplain currently and will pasture when AH comes in for him on EOT12. Definitely still working a flood plain since his GNP of 23 indicates he is working a commerce tile.
Yuri: Teched AH T8, Worker completed EOT7, similar to me, he probably also farmed FP 1t and pastured for 3 turns, finishing it this turn. He worked the 0/3/0 plains hill for these 3 turns, which means he either built a 2nd worker, or was going max hammers on a workboat.
Gaspadore: Teched Hunting T3, and is likely working on AH, which would be done EOT12. Expansive worker was done EOT7, and must have either mined or camped the furs. Hmm I didn't think that Gaspadore could be working a 1/3/1 mine at this point.
Pindicator: Teched AH T8, built a non-expansive worker EOT9, and is working a flood plain. His worker is now pasturing the cows, which will be done on EOT12.
October 12th, 2011, 07:04
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One thought from "falling asleep land". Yuri very possibly is building a SETTLER. Since he's Exp/Imp, going worker-settler may make some sense. Especially considering there's a) no barbs, b) islands so no real chance of a rival threatening the capital and c) he has a plains cow and PFH at the capital.
If my calcultions are correct, he should have a settler out on T18 (3 turns before me). Not sure if that's a good move or not - if I am figuring correctly, growing to size 2 and then working a settler would have gotten one out on T20. In any case, it's not anything I had available to me (as I'm not IMP).
I do think that building a warrior here after worker was a mistake. I should have half-built a workboat I think, and then completed that somewhere after the settler. I don't really need a 2nd warrior here for the same reasons (no barbs, islands). Oh well.
October 12th, 2011, 08:13
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regoarrarr Wrote:I do think that building a warrior here after worker was a mistake. I should have half-built a workboat I think, and then completed that somewhere after the settler. I don't really need a 2nd warrior here for the same reasons (no barbs, islands). Oh well.
We don't have Fishing yet.
October 12th, 2011, 08:17
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Cyneheard Wrote:We don't have Fishing yet.
Hmm.. that may have made it difficult to build a workboat then 
October 12th, 2011, 12:43
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Turn 12 in.
Sian, Gaspadore and Yuri all got techs this turn.
Yuri got Fishing (just like we also did at EOT). Sian got Animal Husbandry with double pre-reqs after researching Agriculture on T5 (15bpt at 7 turns for a 103b tech. Gaspadore also teched AH (12 bpt working a non-commerce tile and 1 pre-req for 9 turns since researching Hunting EOT3).
Sian (the only Creative civ) had his 3rd ring borders pop at EOT12, moving him from 17 to 29 land area. That is consistent with him settling in the same spot that I did. So the hypothesis that we are on the same shaped / similar islands is still valid.
Oh and in actual in-game news, MonumentFirst the worker moved off the cow pasture and continued farming the flood plain that we put a turn into a few turns ago. At EOT warrior finished and I grew to size 2.
Another thing I noticed only after ending turn was that when I grew to size 2 I was the only one that did so. So my score is up to 47 and I'm the only one who did so.
October 12th, 2011, 12:54
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regoarrarr Wrote:Another thing I noticed only after ending turn was that when I grew to size 2 I was the only one that did so. So my score is up to 47 and I'm the only one who did so.
That is odd. I mean, we had a PLAINS COW at our start. How on earth can no one else grow to size 2 when we're working a 3f tile @ size 1?
October 12th, 2011, 12:57
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Cyneheard Wrote:That is odd. I mean, we had a PLAINS COW at our start. How on earth can no one else grow to size 2 when we're working a 3f tile @ size 1?
Well everyone started worker first I think. And the 2 other expansive civs must have either gone with another worker / settler (Yuri), or are working max hammers on a workboat (Gaspadore).
I'd expect Sian and Pindicator to grow to size 2 (if they're growing) at Turn 15
October 12th, 2011, 13:33
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Okay so 22 GNP.
We have 22 GNP, which is 11 beakers + 1 free beaker + 2 culture + 4 espionage + 4 double pre-req bonus (we're teching Pottery with both pre-reqs)
The only thing I can think of is Sian (+2 for being CRE) working a 1/0/2 tile to get a religion sooner. But Sian doesn't have Fishing.
Still, somebody working a coast tile does explain why someone has 3 food (center + 1/0/2 coast). Everyone else has Fishing. So it's got to be one of us non-Creative working a coast and a double pre-req tech.
But nobody but us has the Wheel, and nobody has Mining + Myst (for Masonry), and everyone already has Animal Husbandry.
So this puts (at least IMO) a big hole in the "identical starts" hypothesis. Though giving someone a (non-coast) 2 commerce tile is pretty  on the mapmakers part IMO. It would have to be something like a spice or oasis or something. And if someone had an oasis they'd have already been working it most likely.
I don't think anybody has enough commerce to get a beaker from potential known-civ bonii.
This is confusing. Maybe like the Great Brain says, I need to think about it as I fall asleep so that my subconscious mind can figure out the problem while I sleep.
October 12th, 2011, 13:33
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Ooh I got it. Someone's working the furs!
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