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I just love the kremlology going on here. 
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(May 9th, 2017, 16:01)kjn Wrote: City #3 is rather distant from MS. You don't view that as an issue?
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The reason I asked was because I am sure Woden has considered that question in depth, but hadn't discussed that in his log.
Due to the changes in the game between Civ 4 and Civ 6, the whole metagame about city placements and expansion has been changed, and Woden's city #3 seems like a decent example to reason around.
I'm also amused that the first contact between east and west probably will be between Singaboy and Woden. Before the game, I'd have expected Alhambram and Archduke!
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(May 10th, 2017, 02:12)kjn Wrote: I'm also amused that the first contact between east and west probably will be between Singaboy and Woden. Before the game, I'd have expected Alhambram and Archduke!
Just wanted to comment that. Who knew that the Easternmost civ would be the first to makte it all the way over to the West.
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Yeah, but it comes down to scouting approaches.
Oledavy was very systematic and focused in his early scouting, but has done hardly any far scouting, or assigned permanent resources to that. It's telling that he didn't get contact with Hattusa until T40, and that was via his trader and a Hattusa warrior. OTOH, once he has units present in an area (like in the staging turns against Hong Kong) he actively looks for interesting stuff and considers scouting. So a builder's approach to scouting, but performed very well within those constraints. He talked about building a scout earlier in the game, but has made no move towards that so far.
Singaboy got his early near scouting rudely disrupted, but has been by far the most effective scouter in the game. He is aggressively pushing his units outwards in all directions to find barbs and clear land, and has used his scout very effectively - cover ground, gain new contacts, and get a feel for the land that's too far away to settle. He could have had contact with Carthage before Oledavy, though I understand why he skipped continuing north of Hong Kong.
Woden was also very effective with his near scouting early game, and has afterwards continued to scout out in all directions like Singaboy to find settling spots, but without any dedicated permanent scouting efforts.
Archduke seemed to have chosen to go for a Singaboy approach, but forgot his north, wandered off into tundra, and then used his scout for a reconnaissance-in-force, something which it is eminently unsuited for.
Then we have Alhambram, who had atrocious early scouting, first going far, then doubling back to cover worthless and near ground. Right now he is more focused on intelligence about Woden than about scouting per se - it's telling that he haven't sent anything east of Vilnius yet.
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Anyone understand siege rules enough to explain why Hong Kong isn't under siege? Everything I've read suggests it should be: oledavy has a unit or ZoC on every tile adjacent to it. Unless the archers don't even count the tile they're on.
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Archers do not exercise zone of control. They actually have a tier 3 promotion that grants that ability.
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Ah, I thought they still provided siege effect on the tile they're standing on.
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(May 10th, 2017, 13:09)rho21 Wrote: Ah, I thought they still provided siege effect on the tile they're standing on.
They do! Otherwise, oledavy wouldn't have had a siege at the end of his turn 47. At the start of the turn, there's a ... um, what's the adjective for Hong Kong? ... Hong Kong-ese archer standing east of the city, and a warrior to the north-west. At the end of the turn, he had killed them, and Hong Kong is under siege. I think that melee/cav/anti-cav units in the first ring around the city can prevent sieges; I don't know about archers.
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(May 10th, 2017, 17:22)RFS-81 Wrote: (May 10th, 2017, 13:09)rho21 Wrote: Ah, I thought they still provided siege effect on the tile they're standing on.
They do! Otherwise, oledavy wouldn't have had a siege at the end of his turn 47.
Mm, but in that case why doesn't he have a siege the previous turn? He has two tiles adjacent to the city with archers on, two with warriors on, and the other two next to the warriors (and not across a river).
Hmmm... unless it's calculated at the end of the city state's turn rather than the start, in which case the two units produced by the city state would be breaking the siege for turn 46. That would make it really difficult to maintain a siege without every tile blocked.
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