WW27 Game Thread: Once there were 12

[Azarius]

Well, I can know for certain that both scum did vote MJW, for whatever reason. You say it was an unnecessary bus so you wouldn't have done it, so that makes you more likely town. I have a hard time giving anyone town cred for the MJW lynch since both scum were on him. If Jkaen and Q were on early enough that it would expose them by moving, why have both scum vote park on the third to begin with? It seems more likely that he was intentionally bussed.

[novice]

Yes you did, it gets you village cred which you have tried milking since while putting accusation on other MJW voters.

Well I already explained how different MJW votes carry different amounts of town cred. And if I'm accused of being scum, of course I'll point out my town cred. That line of reasoning is just as nonsensical as Jowy accusing me of just trying to save my own ass yesterday when a) any villager should and b) trying to swing votes on to Q was the exact opposite of playing it safe.

Azarius, good point, and I do think you're town since you jailed me. I agree Jkaen and Q as scum is unlikely based on their MJW votes. And I know I'm town so from my viewpoint it's one of Q/Jkaen and Zak/Jowy. Then the bus wasn't planned, but improvised based on one initial distancing vote being trapped by a late swing, with the other scum jumping on. Could be Zak/Jowy too I suppose.

Q/Zak as scum actually makes sense. right now though it looks like I'll have to put a defensive vote on either J and hope to hit scum. I'll still get lynched by a ninja vote from the other scum though, I doubt both Jays are scum.

[zakalwe]

Something I'be been meaning to check: What was Q's reaction to me, Zak and gaz pressuring Jowy on day 2? Because I think Q's vote stayed on MJW, whereas Q has been following Zak and I on every other wagon that I can recall.

IIRC, he didn't follow us on Jkaen yesterday, either. Though he has been pushing Jowy in a half-hearted kind of way for some time. That could be another distancing act.

The Jays were the ones to pin you down, but Azarius also played a part, ensuring that Mattimeo was the only alternative.

[Jkaen]

Ok, the question of why Serdoa was got rid of first night, is much simpler, who is about the only person in this game who would have both stood up to Novice and Zak and also been able to get people behind them to get a lynch? probably him.

As has been seen from yesterday my persuasive powers certainly suck. Whoever dies tonight you need to make sure that Novice is not allowed to slip away again. Review today and see how quickly he backed off me the moment he saw the attempted lynch may bring him more heat than he could handle, thats because he just needs to take the easy lynches to cruise to victory, dont allow him that

[Jkaen]

He also had the entire day to find a target he actually thought was scummy rather than Mattimeo who he never it seems had any scum tell on at all (as he washes his hands of the mislynch). Don't buy getting stuck on him as an excuse at all, 48 hours is plenty of time for him to form a view on a better target if he was a villager

[Azarius]

Zak, Matt was my preferred lynch, and I was more than happy to be voting him if it looked like he would hang. I don't like you trying to blame me for how novice voted however.

[novice]

He also had the entire day to find a target he actually thought was scummy rather than Mattimeo who he never it seems had any scum tell on at all (as he washes his hands of the mislynch). Don't buy getting stuck on him as an excuse at all, 48 hours is plenty of time for him to form a view on a better target if he was a villager

Jkaen, I've been extremely busy the last days, and I've had long periods of outright downtime. The period after my initial Mattimeo vote was one of them. I didn't want to say so because I hoped to get nightkilled, of course last day ruined any chance of that. Even so, I did find a better target than Mattimeo, I just couldn't vote him.

I would love to have that kind of leverage to use when I lynch a bunch of villagers with bad reasons.
That's, what, 3 villagers lynched without any proper reason? CH policy lynch, Azza lynched for his one post from Day 1, Matt lynched for making a single vote you didn't like..

Jowy, after MJW's lynch you postulated (and I agreed) that the non-MJW voters were the most likely scum players. Why are they suddenly such bad lynches? I mean, you were on Gaz on day 3, how was that any better than Azza?

[Qgqqqqq]

Novice, you still haven't explained why you think I'm scum.
As for Jowy, I was pressuring him night 2 but I don't think I ever switched my vote - he was the one I was going to jump on if the MJW lynch didn't get any traction by morning.

Not every Q vote is a bus. Jkaen and Q voted MJW early and would have had to invent reasons to switch off.

I could've done it at any stage before you jumped on - I had other suspects and no traction was building on him. Why did I go so far as to make a case on him when zak asked for them to try and get some support (which likely worked, given you voted him for the reason I was pushing), if I was trying to find a way to get off - at a time when you were all jumping on my no.2 target?

[zakalwe]

Zak, Matt was my preferred lynch, and I was more than happy to be voting him if it looked like he would hang. I don't like you trying to blame me for how novice voted however.

I wasn't blaming you for how he voted, I was blaming you for how you voted.

[Merovech]

Oh crap, was re-teaching myself calculus and lost track of the time.

Azarius was killed Night 4. He was a 1-shot village jailer.

Begin Day 5.