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Not quite an AAR, just more a couple of things I came across in a game I was playing today. I was playing the Darlocks, doing my bit and stealing tech from everybody. Eventually, I got everyone so mad at me they all declared war. I end up losing the vote by just a tad. I had a solid 1/3 of the galaxy. So the vote goes and I lose. Do I go with the decision? Naw, let's play this one out and see what happens. And then it hits me. The opponents will never get away from me in tech. Since they all SHARE the tech in overtime, I have FIVE times the chances of stealing any one particular piece. It took a few years, but soon I was at tech parity with the five opponents. All I had to do is keep ahead in computer tech and I was good to go. To make a long sotry short, I ended up winning this one in overtime (first time I'd ever done that). It was just one of those neat little gems you come across every now and then that I thought I'd share.
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Wow, excellent!
My only encounter with overtime wasn't quite so fortuitous :laugh:
Well done :P
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Quote:My only encounter with overtime wasn't quite so fortuitous
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You've been a very busy boy. 
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What's Overtime/Final War? If this question is too newbish, feel free to post a link to a general FAQ or RTFM  (I have skimmed the manual though).
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When there is a vote for who controls the galaxy, and 2/3 of the votes go to one candidate, the player is given an option to accept or reject the ruling.
If you are the winning candidate, accepting the ruling ends the game (win). If you are not the winning candidate, accepting the ruling ends the game (you losing).
If you reject the ruling, then everyone declares war on you (neverending), share all their techs, and generally try to wipe you out. It is possible to win from this position, but it can be difficult.
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If someone gets elected President of the Senate, the game is considered over, unless you decide not to accept the ruling of the Galactic Senate on this matter. Usually this would be because you were not the one chosen to be the President. In that case, all the other races in the galaxy who did accept the ruling (i.e. all the AIs) declare "Final War" on you to exterminate your race from the galaxy so that the Senate can rule uncontested. To this end, they share all their techs (both current ones, and ones they subsequently research) amongst themselves, and form an unbreakable alliance with one another against you.
If your empire is not already pretty secure, it will fall quickly. However, this is not necessarily a complete disaster, as if you have a robust enough empire you may yet be able to overcome the combined forces of the rest of the galaxy. You will, however, need to exterminate all the AIs in order to do so, and to do that, you will need to be able to outproduce and/or outresearch the rest of the galaxy. Fortunately, while the AIs all share their tech with one another, they are still split into their various races and not lumped together into one big empire. This means that they still can't research any faster collectively than they could separately, although they still share any advances that they do make so any economic improvments they research are applied to all empires. Also, the smaller empires may not be able to afford to build lots of ships based on higher tech levels than their production base can nominally support. Moreover, the fact that the various empires all share all tech they have means you can target weak members for tech theft or conquest, and thereby gain techs that used to be exclusively the province of the strongest AIs.
For instance, an ideal scenario would be if the Meklars were one of the members of the alliance against you, but had never expanded significantly and got stuck with a puny empire, and had constantly lagged in tech as a result. When you lose the vote, and don't accept the ruling, they will get all the tech of, say, the Psilons, but none will have been implemented yet -- it will take time to retool their factories, bases, and fleet. This gives you an opportunity to quickly zip in and nab one of their high-factory worlds and grab several techs you might have been missing. Alternatively, since they are a small empire, they might not be able to afford much in counter-espionage spending, so it's possible you could steal them blind to get Psilon techs.
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Quote:Originally posted by Bam-Bam@Apr 12 2004, 11:52 AM
When there is a vote for who controls the galaxy, and 2/3 of the votes go to one candidate, the player is given an option to accept or reject the ruling.
If you are the winning candidate, accepting the ruling ends the game (win). If you are not the winning candidate, accepting the ruling ends the game (you losing).
If you reject the ruling, then everyone declares war on you (neverending), share all their techs, and generally try to wipe you out. It is possible to win from this position, but it can be difficult.
Sweet, sounds like a fun alternate endgame.
Another question: even if you win the vote, can you still reject the ruling and fight a final war? From your answers I gather that this is the case, but I just want to make sure.
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Quote:Originally posted by Caesar_Augustus@Apr 12 2004, 01:07 PM
Another question: even if you win the vote, can you still reject the ruling and fight a final war? From your answers I gather that this is the case, but I just want to make sure.
I thought of that, but I cannot see getting into that position unless that was a specific variant that you wanted to explore (I do not think it would be THAT interesting, but I could be wrong). Let me explain. The player is always the last to vote. So, if you wanted to keep playing this game for an alternate victory condition--i.e., you wanted to get above 50% of the galaxy for "domination", as Sirian puts it, or conquest (can vote yourself emperor on your votes alone), or genecide, you simply abstain from the vote--that way no one wins, and the game keeps going for 25 more years (or all the AIs are eliminated).
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I know of someone on the Apolyton boards who declines winning the election when the game is all but over and the outcome not in doubt just to avoid having to deal with elections ever again. 
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Quote:Originally posted by Caesar_Augustus+Apr 12 2004, 05:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Caesar_Augustus @ Apr 12 2004, 05:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Bam-Bam@Apr 12 2004, 11:52 AM
When there is a vote for who controls the galaxy, and 2/3 of the votes go to one candidate, the player is given an option to accept or reject the ruling.
If you are the winning candidate, accepting the ruling ends the game (win). If you are not the winning candidate, accepting the ruling ends the game (you losing).
If you reject the ruling, then everyone declares war on you (neverending), share all their techs, and generally try to wipe you out. It is possible to win from this position, but it can be difficult.
Sweet, sounds like a fun alternate endgame.
Another question: even if you win the vote, can you still reject the ruling and fight a final war? From your answers I gather that this is the case, but I just want to make sure.
I just downloaded and installed MOO last night, and managed to get in 10 turns or so. Fun game so far! Sirian's tutorial really helped me get the hang of things. Too bad I can't get sound working in Win98SE - I get an error that another program is using my MIDI synthesizer when I try to set up sound during the MOO installation. [/b][/quote]
I don't know if I've ever gotten 2/3 vote WITHOUT couting my own votes....
I know several games where I would be elected by a landslide if I voted for myself and I kept abstaining. I like to capture/colonize Orion in addition to getting the vote.
Come to think of it, there may have been a game where I was elected and I declined the decision. I do remember a final war/overtime that I won hands down.
Herb
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