WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[zakalwe]

I agrre with you on that. The issue is that your primary motivation would be to keep looking for that second SK and possibly kill towns in the process.

You think there's another SK?

Ichabod, do you?

[zakalwe]

Heh, just realised what that means for the Rowain/Gazglum following pair at EoD2. I hope that didn't make scum/SK guess their relationship.

The lovers didn't know each other's identities.

[zakalwe]

Oh. Ichabod is saying TT is a SK. Sounds unlikely.

[Qgqqqqq]

The lovers didn't know each other's identities.

I'm pretty sure they do...

Yup:

"j Masons/Lovers will be informed who the other Masons/Lovers are, if there are any others."

[Ichabod]

I agrre with you on that. The issue is that your primary motivation would be to keep looking for that second SK and possibly kill towns in the process.

You think there's another SK?

Ichabod, do you?

Not sure. I think best SK play was to not kill anyone and search for a believable claim while staying alive (that's if you diacarded a good villager role/difficult to explain role). At least my position in the game I felt as a ticking timer: I'd lose by attrition through claims and reveals, if I didn't do something preemptively -> how could I justify throwing away the backup doctor without a good role? So, not killing and waiting made sense.

I saw Adrien's play as a way to make that gambit work. But I was wrong about him being SK, he was the vig.

I feel like TT's playing in a similar fashion than myself, so I think he makes sense as a second SK.

A perfect place for SK to hide would be in a discarded mafia role or a discarded vanilla role, though. I'm sure it'd be way easier to make up a claim in that case. I would never have killed Adrien if I had discarded a vanilla role or a mafia role. So, players who went that way could be safely playing SK right now.

The SK that would be left is the one that is only Mafia immune, so he should be afraid of vigs too. In that sense, he's even more safe. TT going for me today as a night kill could be even seen as trying to get the Vig, reading my day 2 Vig claim shananigans as a Vig-hint.

Anyway, I would suggest a mass claim if I was villager. I didn't do it because as SK with Doctor as the discarded role, I'd be in a pickle. I bet you only get mafia kills until the end of the game, because there's no sense for a second vig to reveal himself. So, losing one power role per night is not bad, considering the big advantages of a mass claim. That just seem obvious play to me, but I'm certain there are people that disagree with it (even villagers). I bet you'd get a lot of cleared villagers and bad claims this way, loads of pretty useful info. Unfortunately, this setup is way more meta-y than I thought and claiming is simply good. Villagers will die anyway, info will stay on the thread forever -> villagers gunning for heroic play of "I'm the one that caught mafia with my power, all by myself" are actually not being helpful as they think. Putting all info into the open makes it easier to spot liars and to coordinate things. If all cops had claimed on day 1, + a possible doctor, we could have something like 3 scans. We wasted those power-roles.

Anyway, this is completely sincere, since I've already lost.

I'll think a bit more about suspicions and perhaps post a bit. But I support a mass claim, at day time, when I pretend I'm a villager.

[Ichabod]

Oh. Ichabod is saying TT is a SK. Sounds unlikely.

It's a possibility. Just keep at the back of your head.

[zakalwe]

Ok, my bad, Q.

Meiz is very townish but much of that impression ultimately derives from his spat with Lewwyn. If you told me you had a guilty result on him I would believe you. But that's pretty much what it would take for me to lynch him today.

[zakalwe]

Yeah I agree with that meta-stuff, Ichabod. (Very scummy of you btw.) Mass claiming on day one was the way to go here, and I even thought so back on day one. I didn't say it, though, because it's just not a fun way to play the game. I think the concept is great, but we need a much larger deck with more duplicates, so that counterclaims are less powerful.

[zakalwe]

Btw., I consider us to be in the process of mass claiming already. It was nice of you to go first.

[Meiz]

I agrre with you on that. The issue is that your primary motivation would be to keep looking for that second SK and possibly kill towns in the process.

You think there's another SK?

No idea. I was writing that from Ichabod's POV.