WW #41. New Horizons.

[Rowain]

@Serdoa You want to stop me discussing you? Fine then tell me who is the missing scum. If you are village that leaves only Gazglum, Bacchus, Lewwyn.

If we assume for now that neither of you are scum, do either of you have any thoughts on Zakalwe?

Whom do you see as zakalwes partner. Matter of fact whom do you see as scum from the array Bacchus, Serdoa, Lewwyn?


I personally have novice (only from the feel of his posts), Bacchus and Gazglum in my town-book.

[AdrienIer]

I like the way Lewwyn revealed his night action and zak's play recently.

What is it you like about Zak's play?

Just did a reread of him (doing novice next) and honestly he sounded like the voice of reason D1. The attacks on him were unjustified (looking at you Serdoa and novice), he defended himself but did not engage in pointless 1v1 for free content. He even unvoted from Serdoa to calm things down in post 67. His D2 is also pretty good.

[Serdoa]

1) I can't tell you who it is, because I don't know. If your question actually is: Who is the most likely out of those options, I'd say Bacchus. My impression is that Gazglum wouldn't do as much as he does in terms of discussion if he was scum.

Of course that presumes that Lewwyn isn't lieing. It also presumes that you are not lieing. For Lewwyn I don't believe he is scum, as no other sensor came forward and I can't believe he would tell a lie about it with the chance of a real sensor telling that he is lieing. So most likely he isn't or is scum that tells us the truth in regards to that 1 scum was on the lynch on D1.

As for you: You could be in boat with AdrienIer. He could have used some scum-power on me or none at all, got redirected to you (or not) and as I revealed my redirection he used it to clear you for good. It's unlikely though I think. Therefore see above.

[Gazglum]

@Serdoa You want to stop me discussing you? Fine then tell me who is the missing scum. If you are village that leaves only Gazglum, Bacchus, Lewwyn.

If we assume for now that neither of you are scum, do either of you have any thoughts on Zakalwe?

Whom do you see as zakalwes partner. Matter of fact whom do you see as scum from the array Bacchus, Serdoa, Lewwyn?


I personally have novice (only from the feel of his posts), Bacchus and Gazglum in my town-book.

Lewwyn feels scummiest of that threesome to me, but his Sensor claim is ballsy if so. Serdoa or Bacchus could be scum, but I think they are both playing very well if so. But I guess Serdoa/Zak I could believe, since they have been clashing a lot and it allowed Zak to spend most of Day 1 not fruitfully participating. It could be manufactured.

If it was Serdoa/Zak, it would make sense of Serdoa's last minute vote switch, as it was designed to get them off the same lynch target. So it makes sense, even though I think he has been posting quite well.

I also feel that Novice has been towny, even though there's not that much specifically I can point to as a town sign.

[zakalwe]

As for roleblocking. If Serdoa is scum then it makes perfect sense to claim redirection while actually blocking, to clear himself in case he is investigated while simultaneously performing a useful roleblock. And his buddy could have a blocking power, too. I wouldn't expect them to hold back on the roleblocking in this setup, and I think it's likely that scum have more than two pairs of abilities.

Also, Goreripper could have jailed or blocked either me or Gazglum. So I'm not rushing to the conclusion that Gazglum is scum. But one thing that does look fishy is how he revised his claim from being jailed to just being blocked. Lewwyn and Novice both claim jailer, and at most one of them can be Gazglum's scum buddy. So maybe Gazglum realized that insisting that he was jailed when two jailers were alive and denying it wasn't such a great idea.

A related observation, though: Gazglum claimed that he was jailed, and everybody denied doing it. If Gazglum is innocent, this may well have led scum to guess that Goreripper must have jailed him. And then Lewwyn claimed, taking the very power slot (jailer) that had just freed up. Which is again convenient, but also suspicious in that he also possessed the one power (commuter) that would have justified holding off on the sensor scan.

[zakalwe]

Fair enough on the 2 minutes, Serdoa. That's a valid point. Maybe you were slow on the uptake, and didn't realize the risk of staying off AdrienIer until the deadline approached and you asked yourself "what if someone switches at the last minute?" But yeah, no particular reason to not ask yourself that sooner.

[AdrienIer]

Novice is not as good. 4h before lynch he points to 3 townies (yeah yeah you all can't know that)

That just leaves the low contributors Goreripper, Adrien and Brick.

He claimed "one man great wall of China" which would be a good excuse for not being night killed if he survives till LyLo.

[Serdoa]

Fair enough on the 2 minutes, Serdoa. That's a valid point. Maybe you were slow on the uptake, and didn't realize the risk of staying off AdrienIer until the deadline approached and you asked yourself "what if someone switches at the last minute?" But yeah, no particular reason to not ask yourself that sooner.

Thank you. I really mean it. As I said I know that it looks not good that I voted him, but that alone makes it only a bad play, not a scum play. And as I said, I had enough reasons to vote AdrienIer already, I didn't have to answer your question the way I did. I did so only for one reason: I am town and as town you don't lie, even if the explanation you have to give is having to own up to a bad play.

[AdrienIer]

Summarising the info we have:

Either Rowain and Adrien are both lying about Rowain's alignment, and so they are the scum pair. Not that likely.

Otherwise:

ONE OF Adrien, Zak, Lewwyn, Novice are scum.

ONE OF Gazglum, Serdoa, Bacchus are scum.

Or Lewwyn is scum paired with ADrien/Zak/Novice, but then he ran a big risk of being counterclaimed by another sensor, so I'm discounting that.

Given that, I will reread Serdoa and Bacchus as well.

So you have better odds of hitting scum if you are a villager and we lynch one of Serdoa and Bacchus. Additionally, Serdoa and Bacchus have those odds as well.

The issue for me is that I'm still left with a 1/3 either way.

I don't like this logic. For 4 of us it's 1/3 either way (well only 3 of us because one of you novice Zak and me is scum as everyone knows) but for the Serdoa/Bacchus/Gazglum triangle it's 1/2. If we all voted randomly we'd have a better chance limiting ourselves to Serdoa Bacchus and Gazglum than to novice Zak you and me.

[zakalwe]

I like the way Lewwyn revealed his night action and zak's play recently.

What is it you like about Zak's play?

Just did a reread of him (doing novice next) and honestly he sounded like the voice of reason D1. The attacks on him were unjustified (looking at you Serdoa and novice), he defended himself but did not engage in pointless 1v1 for free content. He even unvoted from Serdoa to calm things down in post 67. His D2 is also pretty good.

I don't think Novice attacked me on D1? Or are you blaming him for not standing up for me?

Your faith in me is admirable, but perhaps a bit exaggerated? I can't help but wonder if you're buttering me up.