Gavagai manages his personal GULAG

[GermanJoey]

A grand total of five hills in that picture, one of them desert, one not within the bfc of any city. Forests require worker power, the only way to build workers on this land is via whipping or chopping, and all the while your land is lagging in improvements. In any case, it's a stark contrast to what we have in our core, with double plains hill copper, plains marble, plains hill stone and generally more plains, plains cows, plains sheep, etc. Could Grimace have extracted more prod from his land? Sure. But he couldn't have even closely competed with us in MFG. I mean, few people can globally, even those who have more cities than us.

Don't forget this is RtR, so early workshops are a thing. Also, in the early game, almost half, if not more, of one's production is probably coming from the whip. Lack of hills don't necessarily equal lack of production, at least to me. I figured he'd have enough forests to last until then... and at any rate, every spot has their own unique challenges to overcome. (It should be clear by now that the map is not a mirrorland of any sort.) I did like that aspect of PB22, even if that map was too askew in other ways.

By the way, Grimace might only have 5 hills in that screenshot, but I also see copper and iron, and, if I recall correctly, he also had more than just a few more just north of this picture.

[Bacchus]

Meh, I'm not saying Grimace shouldn't have had land like this, or that his position was hopeless. I mean, I would have gladly traded spots with him, and I'm sure so would Gav. It doesn't take that many hammers to prevent an ancient-era conquest after all.

[Gavagai]

If we started in Grimace's position and moved capital we would totally break this game...

[Bacchus]

The culture overlay showed something cool:



Plako of Germany? Zooming in, we see only the shadow of a line, and it looks black....

[Gavagai]

I currently plan to attack Tsargon on T113 with a one-mover stack in the south (to lure his forces out of position) and follow up on T115 with a two-mover stack in the north to capture his core. Southern stack will have 2 Spears, 3 Axes, 4 Swords, 3 Chariots. This is the most pessimistic scenario, most likely we will have more units. Northern stack will have no less than 30 HAs (may be more).

Bacchus, comments?

[Bacchus]

Sounds good, I had the same plan when looking at the situation. He has quite severe logistics problems connecting between the northern and southern parts of his empire. Actually, we do too, but no-one really in the place to exploit that.

[Bacchus]

Really want to know where Krill is. If to the east of Tsargon, on Waylon Jenning's latitude, then maybe we are in a position to contest HAK's shrine.

[Gavagai]

T100 picture dump:

[Miguelito]

I currently plan to attack Tsargon on T113 with a one-mover stack in the south (to lure his forces out of position) and follow up on T115 with a two-mover stack in the north to capture his core. Southern stack will have 2 Spears, 3 Axes, 4 Swords, 3 Chariots. This is the most pessimistic scenario, most likely we will have more units. Northern stack will have no less than 30 HAs (may be more).

Bacchus, comments?

I see you're trying really hard to avoid early wars

[Bacchus]

Some golden age wanker narrowly beating our beautiful forced-labour MFG, don't mind him lurkers, the worker's economy will triumph withouth the reliance on so-called "great" people.