Pitboss 27 IT and Tech Issues Thread

[ReallyEvilMuffin]

I am reading, but I'm out and about a lot this weekend and with the loss of posting from tapatalk it is hard to talk. I am not sure what to suggest. I'll properly post thoughts of how to conclude the game when I have thought properly, but until you guys stepped up I was teetering on suggesting a full AI roster with taotao and I duking it out as a way to stop it making it drag for others.

I don't think it is spoilerish to say that I really doubt anyone else can come back enough to win despite some having more cities than us. They are eras behind. So perhaps that would be best... more later

[The Black Sword]

If you want someone else to move a civ along, I can do it.

[Cheater Hater]

Again, dtay has already played this turn once (which got wiped out due to server problems), so I don't think he's the problem (and heck, he's logged in once since, so his cities are probably building stuff at least). Barteq and DZ are more-concerning, and they could probably use lurkers to at least make sure they're producing stuff.

[taotao]

REM/taotao, what are your thoughts? You guys really are the only opinions that should matter at this point IMO.

General thoughts:
As a long time lurker of RB I hate it when games get called without a proper conclusion.
IRL I've got a fairly full plate at the moment having just gotten engaged and bought a new apartment with my fiancé etc. but I'd be willing to put in the turns to try and find a winner (though I guess I'm also fine with getting a shared victory considering the state of the game).

In game I'd say with about 95% certainty that the winner would be either me or REM.
Those remaining 5% are taken by dtay and Gavagai (well CH), but since neither really seem to have the time/willingness to play I'm ok with solutions that pretty much disregards them.

What needs to be in place for there to be a fair race between REM and me?
Well, as long as we keep pounding each other, perhaps not all that much.
If all forces are tied up with the other party, then 3rd parties get less interesting. It doesn't matter that much if say plako offers REM an opening or dtay offers one to me, we'll have a very hard time to capitalize anyhow.

So, Always War (between REM and me) from now on?
Well, I guess that'd be possible, but I for one would've made some different choices regarding eg. GP generation if this turns into a two player game instead of a proper ffa. 
Probably in such a scenario we could pretty much ignore the other continent. 
REM might've gotten help from dtay and I might've gotten help from Gav/Barteq, but I can live without hopelessly pondering those possibilities.
Probably the trickiest question is what to do regarding the English (Donovan/Serdoa)?
I can see a few options such as:
a) New player taking over (BGN abandoning Vikings (->AI?) to pick up the reigns here??)
b) turn to AI, REM and me free to conquer as we please (but REM probably likely to have open borders while I'd have a hard time getting those). 
c) turn to AI, declare it a demilitarized zone (I won't get any developed towns / release of cultural pressure, but have a much easier time with defense.
d) turn to AI, rule not to attack. Sorry, without amendments I can't accept this. If REM is staging inside England and I'm not locked into a peace treaty, then I need the option to pre emptily defend myself.

What if REM and I make peace?
Well that's a tricky question. Other conquests (where we'd like decent opposition) might just start to pay off in time...
So Always Peace (between all nations) and a race to space?
Well, somehow I've got a feeling that's not really in my best interests at the moment. Ask me again in 10t and I'll consider it...


Edit: Didn't see the last few posts (starting with REM) before writing this. Not sure how much those posts changes things (at least I probably would've wanted to say some things differently). It's late here though and I've got a busy day tomorrow as well, so I'll just leave things as they stand.

[Cheater Hater]

Here are my overall thoughts:
REM, taotao, plako, CH, and BGN are all here and active; I see no reason for any of them to leave now.
dtay hasn't played this turn, but he has at least checked in (and thus built stuff), so I'm guessing that if we let the turn roll he'll probably come back.
Barteq and DZ are the real questions, as no one has heard from them (at least with regard to this game, if at all), so they need at least semi-invested replacements. TBS has offered to fill one of those slots, and then that leaves only one more. Barteq has a reasonable empire at this point, but I don't know how much DZ has. One option I'm thinking of is that one of our replacements already (me, BGN, or TBS) can just hit enter for that civ if they aren't a factor at all--as long as there isn't something like declaring war on yourself, that shouldn't be awful.

[ReallyEvilMuffin]

I would actually say that of all the civs left, DZ is the most important in terms of game balance. He is not very big, however his geography (and history) makes him the most important civ left on the game if it is left to who out of taotao and I can win.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

If the general consensus is that only two civs matter for the outcome, REM and taotao, then that makes managing other, distant empires much easier. A daily lurker can log in, ctrl + alt + click on a city and build wealth for the empire, fortify all units, then end turn. Just leave everything else in a holding pattern that is too distant to the conflict to effect the outcome. On the home continent I think we can manage for subs and continuing players to keep things going.

I do suggest, though, that the turn timer be reduced to at most 48 hours once this has been resolved. The super long turn timer has to be at least partly responsible for the inattentiveness that has resulted. Just my opinion here. I'm not invested in the outcome but I would like to see a proper conclusion for you guys after the long slog to get here.

[The Black Sword]

So, do you want me to log in for DZ and Barteq and end turn/check how much work is involved?

[taotao]

So, do you want me to log in for DZ and Barteq and end turn/check how much work is involved?

I for one would highly appreciate such a thing. 
The game could probably benefit from some discussion in the lurker thread about what exactly should be done with DZs civ though.

Doesn't necessarily matter that much this turn, but fyi I've got a peace treaty running out in two turns that might affect things.

Honestly I'm not entirely sure how DZ has viewed me recently, but let's just say that things are more complicated than just taotao=BAD, REM=Good as would be one possible way of perception.
Anyhow, my opinion is that the English should be treated with some kind of goal of making the nation live to end of time if possible...

[ReallyEvilMuffin]

So, do you want me to log in for DZ and Barteq and end turn/check how much work is involved?

I for one would highly appreciate such a thing. 
The game could probably benefit from some discussion in the lurker thread about what exactly should be done with DZs civ though.

Doesn't necessarily matter that much this turn, but fyi I've got a peace treaty running out in two turns that might affect things.

Honestly I'm not entirely sure how DZ has viewed me recently, but let's just say that things are more complicated than just taotao=BAD, REM=Good as would be one possible way of perception.
Anyhow, my opinion is that the English should be treated with some kind of goal of making the nation live to end of time if possible...

The Dutch and English have had a very turbulent relationship this game. Multiple wars and city razes. Now I can play I will look in later and give full thoughts. Agree that there needs to be something decided by then I suppose.