[SPOILERS] Gira under Pindicator's surveillance

[giraflorens]

I swear that I will try to follow my teacher's advice.

Thank you Pindicator for your offering and you must be very patient with me, cause when some idea gets in my head its difficult to change it.
Thanks also to the other players who offered advising me.  I would love your comments on the threat.

Naufragar- Augustus of Spain
Ruff-Hi - Hannibal of Japan
Miguelito - Justinian of the Byzantine
MrCairo - Ragnar of England
giraflorens - Pericles of Russia
El Grillo - Charlemagne of Khmer
Vanrober - Cyrus of Mongolia
scooter - Gandhi of Korea
superdeath - Darius of HRE
Elkad - Washington of Maya
Mjmd - Victoria of India 

Pericles

[giraflorens]

This is the start position.

[giraflorens]

And this is how the Sneak Pick goes so far:


Naufragar- ? of Spain
Ruff-Hi - Hannibal of ?
Miguelito - ? of the Byzantine
MrCairo - ? of England
giraflorens - ? of ?
El Grillo - ? of ?
Vanrober - ? of ?
scooter - ? of ?
superdeath - ? of ?
Elkad - ? of ?
Mjmd - ? of ?

I just arrived and I did not think about it.  
I m surprise of your suggestion for worker 1st.  I d make boats usually.
With Fish+Mine we have Carthage, Rome, Russia, Portugal ...
With Fish+Hunting we have Greece and Vikings.

Hunt  is good for +2 motion of Scouts, but If we make boats we need to get Slavery very fast. So MINE should be a choice.

[pindicator]

I wrote this to you as a PM but I'll post here so we can keep all discussion in one place:

I just arrived and I did not think about it.  

I m surprise of your suggestion for worker 1st.  I d make boats usually.
With Fish+Mine we have Carthage, Rome, Russia, Portugal ...
With Fish+Hunting we have Greece and Vikings.

Hunt  is good for +2 motion of Scouts, but If we make boats we need to get Slavery very fast.

The other players are waiting so we must decide fast.  What would you choose?

I think fishing & mining or fishing & hunting.  One thing that could be done is to do hunting & mining and then tech fishing first.  But what I mean by worker first is that there is no good production before we get a mine.
If you go work boat first then it will take you 9 turns to build it, finish end of turn 8.  Then you will be size 1 with 14/22 food and the next work boat will take 9 more turns to build and your city, finish end of turn 17.  City will have 2 seafood hooked up at size 3 with 6/26 food.  Then a worker would take 6 turns, finishing end of t23.  Reach size 4 at end of turn 26 while building a warrior to protect the first settler.
If you go worker first then the worker will finish worker end of turn 11. Those 12 turns you use to tech Animal Husbandry (it will finish in 12 turns too just like the worker!)  Start a work boat, and the worker improves the cows.  Cows finish on turn 15 and work boat will finish end of turn 20. Capital is size 2 at 9/24 working the cow and a mined grass hill.  Then the 3rd work boat will finish in 5 turns at end of turn 25.  Capital will be size 3 with 18/26 food.  Reach size 4 at end of turn 26 also, same as work boat first, but you have best two tiles improved: cow &  grass mine.

So I think worker first will only be better if you can start the work boat immediately and tech Animal Husbandry on turn 1.  That means you need to have a Fishing/Hunting or a Fishing/Agriculture civ in order for it to work, but I think it is better.  Agri/Mining or Hunting/Mining wouldn't work because you won't be able to build the work boat as soon as the worker is done.

If you really want to play a fishing/mining civ then it will be work boat first.  But I think this shows stronger start is to go fishing/hunting or fishing/agricutlure and go worker first, and then 2 work boats right after the worker.

Also I can make a sandbox to show this if you like.

[giraflorens]

So we go for Greece or Vikings?

[Charriu]

Hunting no longer gives scouts 2 movement instead it increases their defense against animals. And you don't need Fishing to build a work boat.

[pindicator]

Ok, if you don't need Fishing for a work boat then you can also pick a Agri/Mining or Hunting/Mining civ

[pindicator]

Honestly though, if there is a civ or leader you want to play then we will make it work. Starting techs are good but not everything

[giraflorens]

For Hunt/Mining we've got Germany, Russia, Kmer and Ethipia. I like Russia for the Cossacks

[pindicator]

Okay! If you like Russia then we should pick it. It will be a late-blooming civ so it will be important for us to play well early or maybe to pick a trait to help us out early so that we can get to Cossacks.