[Game Thread] WW49: Wizards and Werewolves

[Lewwyn]

So about that scroll... I think gazglum puts too much emphasis on it and I think he uses it as a tool. I also think he places an inordinate amount of importance on the night time vote for the item distribution.

Plus again, think on this, I beg you if you will,
Your scroll we have in play
A strong player brought down can offer still,
His words tomorrow day.

It makes this time more opportune,
A vet for us to slay..

So gaz starts his, let’s kill a vet, early. Which again I don’t like. It’s set to ignore half the party.

I cast my eye across our band, see friends that I do like:
The Rogue, The Wiz, perhaps the Monk, so where then do I bite?

Here he sets up Serdoa, WK and adrien as friends, but later he admits to not really retreading WK and adrien. Instead he is basing it more on the night voting.

Ser Adrien and Ser WarriorKnight, I confess I've not re-read.
My thoughts on them instinctual still, agreed with what they've said.

I know others scoff, but much stock I put in discussion of the scroll,
When moved it did we from Warlock to Rogue, it felt we were on a roll.

Tally as of 11:51 CDT 10/27/2020

Green votes
6.1 votes: Serdoa (Serdoa, Tarkeel, WarriorKnight, Gazglum, Rowain, pindicator)
4.1 votes: Superdeath (novice, AdrienIer, Lewwyn, superdeath)

Those first four names Serdoa votes, it felt a band of town.
When looking scumwards, I chose instead the names were lower down.

Yes I know Adrien there, my whims not watertight
But for Day 2 he's not the one I would most likely fight.

So he says he hasn’t reread WK and Adrien yet, but they are friendly because of this night time vote. What’s crazy to me is that he’s saying scum are probably the ones who voted to give the item to superdeath. Except for adrien. Wait why is adrien ok even though your criteria is that voting to give the item to Serdoa early is townie?

This is very suspicious to me. Maybe it’s because I didn’t think the night vote was that important and that the item was more of a curse than a blessing(says the innocent man hounded by an incorrect dead spirit). If anything that item is a complete roll of the dice as to whether the villager raised from the dead is helpful. And maybe I’m being overly harsh towards gaz because of my experience but his in consistency with adrien voting to give the item to superdeath but still being townie stands out to me. Especially because he said he didn’t read adrien.

[Rowain]

The thing I don't like about day 1 is that too many people voted the easy target.
And both DS and thrawn were both very easy targets. Even more both were easy targets which don't provide any information for town. Usually I would vote off anyone on of those 2 but sadly only tarkeel, DS and myself did not on that waggons.

So if we assume that scum is all hiding players like Adrien does then all usual good townplayers suffered from a serious brain-fart or we say they are all anti-players. But that are far too many to be true.

I'm baffled that both Serdoa and Lewwyn still claim that it was a good action.

[pindicator]

Rowain, I only jumped on DS at the end to try and save thrawn. I more happily would have lynched you yesterday

[Rowain]

Rowain, I'm extremely frustrated by the meta certain people are pushing on me.  I have to post a certain way.  I have to post a certain amount.  I have to post very technically accurate.  And then they pick apart the one instance where I don't meet there meta standards, dismiss the rest, throw it back at me like it's some evidence of evil doing. 

I do think you are a bit exaggerating here. BTW Didn't you vote for me on Day1 because I don't sound like in WW 48?

[pindicator]

It doesn't feel like an exaggeration to me.

And yes, I didn't think you sounded like your self from the previous two games. More carefree. Today you sound more like Rowain

[Lewwyn]

Sorry pin, I don’t think I’ve done that at least. My suspicion of you is more about the attack on me which hinges on dark savant being scum. I don’t know what dark savant’s alignment is so I’m not sure what the end result will be, but to me it feels scummy to tie my guilt or innocence to someone else who hasn’t even posted and we don’t yet know the alignment of. 

But I didn’t have an issue with you posting less or in certain ways. Similarly I don’t begrudge gazglum. I’m mostly suspicious because of the inconsistencies and over emphasis of the item use also incorporated into the choice of vote. 

Live and let live
Unless they are a munchkin
They can not continue
Much like soup of shark fin.

I want to win, but I want people to have a good time while I beat them and string them up.

[Serdoa]

Do you think Gazglum has an actual ability that he doesn't want to claim, and prefers to claim bodyguard instead? What would that ability be?

I think it is possible that Gaz is faking Bodyguard because it is a role that is aligned with town. If Comm did something to make the role sensible for scum it should be more than not revealing Gaz alignment when he dies. I've read up on the role on the mafia wiki, just to see if I miss something, but my thoughts are mirrored there. Even if you do not reveal alignment, someone tried to kill a, but he killed b. If he believes that a is scum, he will simply kill a again. I don't see how not revealing the alignment would change anything, especially as by not revealing his alignment, you already give away that it might be scum.

I admit that I am too dumb to really see much use for the role in any case. I understand that with a seer it might be very valuable, but besides from that?

Nonetheless, the role-claim alone would not get him my vote. It is his whole play today. The attack on Lew, the heavily up-played "try to give him a poisoned gift".

Rowain, I'm extremely frustrated by the meta certain people are pushing on me.  I have to post a certain way.  I have to post a certain amount.  I have to post very technically accurate.  And then they pick apart the one instance where I don't meet there meta standards, dismiss the rest, throw it back at me like it's some evidence of evil doing.  Particularly I'm talking about novice and serdoa.  Last game it was novice and sunrise.  (I know, you're wondering "I thought Meiz was frustrating?" Meiz was frustrating for different reasons.)

I'm just saying: No. If you really think that, than you should maybe go back, read all my posts on you and your play and re-evaluate your statement. I am clearly not latching onto you for one post, one technicality. That you act like you do is actually the reason I'm even still harping on it. Because you state how unfair we are, but you are not even reading what we write. You are upset with me for not reacting a certain way without even considering why I dissected SDs post (hint: because I wanted to make it easier to understand why it seemed off to thank him for his clarification and give a better way to understand how I felt him waggling back and forth if I'm a genius scum or the victim of someone else -> the truth is genius victim btw).

Even Rowain tried to show you where you clearly stated you are done with the game - or at least how it was easy to interpret it that way. I'm certainly do things wrong and I certainly have sometimes a hard time accepting that I did something wrong, but come on pindi, you are ignoring all these posts that try very friendly and helpful to show you why people reacted a certain way.

Also, you are right: We do have a meta we expect people to follow. That meta includes sharing your thoughts on your suspects and making an effort to point out things that seem odd. If you decide to play by only skimming the thread and posting a vote a day that is fine. It will however get you suspicion, see SD. Simply because if we all play like that, the "game" is not better than programming a random number generator and guessing the number it selected.

I'm with you however that I would like to get rid of re-reading everything. Maybe we can try that, I have some ideas how to maybe do it, but I am pretty certain that the discussions will be much more heated than now ("you've said x" - "I've never said x you stinking liar").

Imo we also try at least not to dissect one single post and say "Ah, you make no sense" (novice even called me out for being too hard on Adrien) but instead build a bigger case, showing inconsistencies here and there. Things that slip in when you are a wolf maybe - or maybe you are simply inattentive right now? That's what the questioning is for.

[pindicator]

No, you're not one of my frustrations Lewwyn. I don't think I stressed enough that the Dark Savant thoughts were purely ancillary. Perhaps people saw all the text and assumed it meant more than I intended it to? It probably should not have been posted and waited until we saw what DS flipped.

You posting prose today makes me feel better about you. I only asked for one post and you're going above and beyond for clarity.

I did have a scum point to Gazglum for an interaction between novice and Lewwyn day 1. I've given novice a couple points today. I'll choose between them before time is up since my WK vote got zero reception

[Rowain]

... I want people to have a good time while I beat them and string them up.

I knew it - a site with a name like "Realms beyond" has something to do with BDSM

[AdrienIer]

SD and WK are my n°1 and n°2 choices today. If there's just novice and I on superdeath then I can try my luck on Warriorknight