[SPOILERS]A new adventure of Vanrober always guided by chumchu

[chumchu]

Looking good.

About turn order. We need to wait for mjmd anyway. If we get peace from mjmd before Ruff plays we should go first in turn order and go in this turn. We avoid Ruff getting a double move on us this turn. I do not see any big negatives from that.

[vanrober]

The problem i see is what i said. If we go first he can whip defenders before we can atack him, if we go second that wont happen.

If we go first and we take his city, he can just stop making axes/spears and make archers, if we go seconds he has to think if we are going or not tu atack, so thats not that clear, we dont even need to take the city, we could destroy the road to the river and the copper will be disconected.

I see this 2 things really cruzial

[chumchu]

Those are good points for going second.

To add to them: our cavalry attack does not like whipped spears.



Arguments for going first:

- He saw our 1-movers last turn and have probably started preparing for them so going last we give a double move.

- Even if he did not see it lat turn I think he must suspect something is up this turn. When he plays this he can see us make peace with mjmd(hopefully), we have a stack close to him and we wait for him to play this turn. I would whip defenders if I were him.

- We have the advantage of being able to attack new units before they promote and before he can move them.

- We can get our reinforcements in play slightly faster relative to him.



As I see it both are ok options and I wanted to present you with both. The final decision is yours.
 

[vanrober]

Totally, he could think that we are goong to atack but he has no vision of any other unit that the same 4 units we had in the first war with him 2 aces 2 spears. The rest of the one movers are on the city and he has no vision of it i think.

Also i think he feels with the right of playing after us just because, so he even might lose this turn if he plays clocky. 

Since he cannot really see our stack im not sure what he is going to whip, if he whips spears our axes will hurt him if he whips axes our HA will hurt, if he gets archers our HA still do well against him. 

So i think getting on second part its a better move.

I apreciate your effort on showing all the good and bad parts of this hard choices!

If you have time i would like to know your thoughts about Raspberry too!

[chumchu]

Micro:
I would whip a Lighthouse first in raspberry. Can finish monument later if needed. Lighthouse gives us 2 extra food and good tiles to work. Raspberry should get a library and work scientist for our first great person in my opinion.

I would whip the granary first in gooseberry. Granary is better than lighthouse in just about every case. If you have 28 hammers in it then we can put the overflow into Moai. Then we whip the lighthouse when we regrow to 4 and put that overflow into moai as well.

Tech Path: with wine from amicalola we do not need monarchy as much. Currency is the way now. How many calendar luxuries can we get our hands on?

[vanrober]

Micro:
I would whip a Lighthouse first in raspberry. Can finish monument later if needed. Lighthouse gives us 2 extra food and good tiles to work. Raspberry should get a library and work scientist for our first great person in my opinion.

I would whip the granary first in gooseberry. Granary is better than lighthouse in just about every case. If you have 28 hammers in it then we can put the overflow into Moai. Then we whip the lighthouse when we regrow to 4 and put that overflow into moai as well.

Tech Path: with wine from amicalola we do not need monarchy as much. Currency is the way now. How many calendar luxuries can we get our hands on?

Well we need the culture if we want that mine the worker is working on now, but yeah im not sure if its worth. I ll move the worker to the other mine then.

I thought the library was much more important than the lighouse, but okey ill switch that.

I thought to OF 2 times 1 for each building into moai too, im glad to have the same thoght as you there. I ll build the granary first then!

I couldnt play this morning because mjmd didnt play yet, i think ill wait for tomorrow morning since thats when the turn timer ends.

And btw just sugar

[chumchu]

Just sugar makes calendar worse than monarchy. Regardless currency should be first.

Raspberry: It will take a long time before he can overtake us on the hill even if he has 2 versus 1 culture as we have been putting culture onto that tile much longer. Finish the mine. Lighthouse into monument into library could work. Is there anything else you wonder about it?

[vanrober]

Just sugar makes calendar worse than monarchy. Regardless currency should be first.

Raspberry: It will take a long time before he can overtake us on the hill even if he has 2 versus 1 culture as we have been putting culture onto that tile much longer. Finish the mine. Lighthouse into monument into library could work.  Is there anything else you wonder about it?

Yeah, i thought to go straigt to machinery after currency since we have that wine. But maybe you are right and it would be better to go for feudalism.

Thanks for the help chumchu!

[vanrober]

I got a pm of Mjmd we got the peace!

WE just need Ruff dont get lazy and play fast or it will take till tomorrow

[vanrober]

Another PM, from Noble this time.

Hi, unfortunately I had to declare war on you in PB56, so I can't play until you play your turn.  Just wanted to let you know that I need to play after you.  Thanks.

This might change our plans.

If he has to play after us then Ruff will always time to play after us and his clock game will be still allowed, wtf. So im not sure how to fix this, i want to play after him, to declare but liek we just seen he just wont allow it. Lurkers seems not to care since i ve been complaining for 50 turns and nothing happened.

So should i just for the good of the game play before him in detriment of my game?