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[PB72] Xist10 plays far to home

Nice. Sucks that Antium got razed however.
"Superdeath seems to have acquired a rep for aggression somehow. [Image: noidea.gif] In this game that's going to help us because he's going to go to the negotiating table with twitchy eyes and slightly too wide a grin and terrify the neighbors into favorable border agreements, one-sided tech deals and staggered NAPs."
-Old Harry. PB48.
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You survived longer than historical Rome (incl Eastern Rome) - so job well done :D
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In tradition to PB92 over at civforum, I want to celebrate the last victory with a RP contribution.
After newspaper report and situation discussion with the Shogun this time a Wikipedia entry.
I translated this with DeepL, I don't want to translate the large post and I don't trust myself to do a good translation.

Battle of Antium

The Battle of Antium was a the only battle of the 3rd Eastern Roman campaign and the last major battle of the Roman Civil War.

Date: Spring 1520
Place: City of Antium in the Western Roman Empire
Outcome: Pyrrhic victory of the Western Romans

Belligerents
Western Rome
Eastern Rome

Troop strength

Western Rome
10 legions
- 5,000 Praetorians
- 1,000 Axe Fighters
- 1,500 pikemen
- 400 catapults with operator crew
total of over 100,000 troops

Eastern Rome
32 [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxilia#Alae"]Ala[/URL] Cataphracts
- 1,000 horsemen
~ 1,100 catapults with operating crew
~ 200 heavy machine guns with operator crew
~ 11,000 man garrison armed with muskets, longbows and crossbows
total of approximately 56,000 soldiers

Casualties

Western Rome
Nearly all catapults
- ~ 39,000 man operating crew
~ 20,000 soldiers

Eastern Rome
Total loss of the army
~ 50,000 dead and prisoners
Remainder dispersed



Background:

The Roman Civil War had a quiet period after the end of the 2nd Eastern Roman campaign and the destruction of Neapolis (1020).
Apart from isolated skirmishes, the conflict flared up again with the 3rd Eastern Roman campaign.
Byzantium marched on Antium in 1498 with about 40,000 soldiers and 2,100 guns.
Western Rome was able to delay the advance for a long time, but in the fall of 1512 Byzantium captured Antium, which had been evacuated.

After no direct counterattack and an additional 13,000 men of reinforcements arrived at Antium, Byzantium withdrew much of its ordnance-especially its modern cannons-and much of its modern infantry in 1519.

This provided Western Rome with an opportunity to counterattack.

Course:

Initial Situation:

The Byzantine army was largely divided into three.
Outside the ruined walls of Antium, the cataphracts and guns were encamped in separate camps. In Antium the musket, longbow and crossbowmen had taken up positions.
Furthermore, the machine guns were also positioned in Antium.
The Western Roman general managed to bring his large army to Antium undetected and surprise the Eastern Roman army.

Day of the battle:


Surprisingly, the Byzantine commander sent out patrols. This happened unnoticed by the Western Roman commander.

The beginning of the battle was massively determined by the Roman guns.
All 4,000 guns opened fire on the city and the army camps in front of the city.
Counterfire from the heavily outnumbered Eastern Roman guns was relatively ineffective and the Byzantine catapults were quickly destroyed by their Roman counterparts.
In contrast, the Byzantine army's most advanced weapon, the machine gun, had more success before the machine gun nests also had to be abandoned due to catapult fire.

After the massive shelling, 3 legions stormed the city and met little resistance despite the extensive garrison.

The rest of the Roman legion, however, had to face the Byzantine cavalry.
Despite the shelling, the Byzantine cavalry formed up and counterattacked.
When the Byzantine cavalry threatened to break the Western Roman lines, Arminius gave orders to the Western Roman reserve to reinforce the legions fighting on the field.
With the reinforcements, the legions managed to encircle and kill the Cataphracts.

The deployment of the reserve allowed the Byzantine patrols, returning unnoticed, to fall upon the Western Roman cataphracts and destroy them almost completely before the Ala were confronted and dispersed by the legions returning from the city.

Casualties:


Western Roman losses are estimated at about 20,000 soldiers and nearly 400 catapults. In addition, almost the entire operating crew of the catapults, another 40,000 men.
Eastern Rome suffered a total loss.
Of the 56,000 men in the army, only a fraction returned to Byzantium.


Consequences:

Byzantine ambitions for western Rome were pushed back by the Byzantine Emperor Greenline until further notice, precisely because Byzantium was again in conflict with the Aztecs at the other end of the empire. Despite all this, the Roman civil war was not ended.
However, the Western Roman striking power was also massively weakened, which resulted in a revival of the Malinis-Roman war.


The Greenline thing is just a guess, since there was no attempt to start another conquest with the riflemen and cannons - I don't think I've reported on the current war with Bing yet ?

I calculated with 1000 men per unit and 100 guns with 10 men operation for siege units. The numbers are perhaps a bit much for antique conditions, but theoretically possible. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae"]Cannae[/URL] had 8 legions and about 120.000 soldiers in total[/SPOILER].



Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
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I don't really get a benefit from peace.
I can brag, I survived a bit longer, but there should be no real change from the status quo. And Aetryn needs to defend the bordercities - CreCon and onemovers makes this more or less unimportant, but...

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Greenline is at war with all players.
And Aetryn was able to capture (,burn and resettle if I read PBSpy right) the first city in the first turn.

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Maybe I can recapture (read burn) a few cities here.
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I said that a upgraded Crossbow can stop my old army alone, or ?

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This was a new, Drill 1 MG, not a Garnison 1, Drill 2 MG. - or Garnison 2, Drill 1.

But this is the 3 captured city (and the seconded burned). I couldn't burn the third, to much own culture.

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Maybe I can surprise Aetryn here next turn. I don't think so, the city already has the frist KE, but maybe the culture still behaves funny.
And Aetryn should have railroads there.


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The 2 battles with Aetryn are still visibibly, but not that huge.
But nice sharkfin from the recapture of Antium and Bing destroyed a huge part of Greenlines army last turn in Creation.

This turn:

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Aetryn captured HuckleberryFinn, so I don't border Greenline anymore.

And Aetryn did scouted my Army. I thought the army was more or less "secure", but I think, I fogot the power of railsroads.

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And this means, my military is dead. I can't recover from this. - My ability to recover from antium is/was questionable, but this ?


And I was able to puzzle the other players.
Greenline offered a Ceasefire. I accepted and declared war in the same turn - and offered a new ceasefire.
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Machine guns are pretty tanky.
"Superdeath seems to have acquired a rep for aggression somehow. [Image: noidea.gif] In this game that's going to help us because he's going to go to the negotiating table with twitchy eyes and slightly too wide a grin and terrify the neighbors into favorable border agreements, one-sided tech deals and staggered NAPs."
-Old Harry. PB48.
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Aetryn starts the final attack.
Still not much, but after the losses in ANtium and the first strike near the ruins of Njal's Saga, it's enough.
Only interesting bit: 2 Infnatry with Moral -> 2 movement

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Maybe I can defeat a army (Aetryn attacks in 2 columms), but only a big maybe.
Infnatry and cannons ?
I plan to attack after Aetryn captures Cumae and use Cityraider to better my chances.
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a bit rough. But not a bad run. What would you say you would do different next time?
"Superdeath seems to have acquired a rep for aggression somehow. [Image: noidea.gif] In this game that's going to help us because he's going to go to the negotiating table with twitchy eyes and slightly too wide a grin and terrify the neighbors into favorable border agreements, one-sided tech deals and staggered NAPs."
-Old Harry. PB48.
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My first contact with Aetryn was not the best.

I still think that Prudence was in my area, but I had 3 tile till the map border, Aetryn had 8 (?). And I think, he had more luck with his copper ?
Ravenna was difficult. If I could hold the city ~ 10 turns longer, I should be able to secure the first ring, but even then, other positions where better.
The war after that was not good. I still think, I could remain at war, but Praetorians are not that good during that era. - ironworking was to early.

And Mediolanum was maybe a mistake. The position was okay, but the city was too expensive. I had better and less expansive cities.
I still think the valley north of Mediolanum was worth to contest the access, but not in this moment.

After that, I had the old problem. Not enough workers, not enough settlers - I still had ~ 4 positions I wanted to settle when Greenline and Aetryn declared war. And not enough cottages on hills.

And after that, I still think I fought the war okay. Greenline and Aetryn needed 2-3 further eras to finish the war.

3rd last and 2nd last turn:

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Knights alone against a enemy with formation pikes ? Not a good idea.

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-2 knights and +1 great general for me.
I retreated my army to Cumae SW.
Satricum had the 2nd KE and has the field Cumae NW in the culture. Aetryn can't attack my army and I should be able to win the fight in Cumae.


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Satricum is 1 tile south of Cumae banghead
Second place where I offered Aetryn a unnecessary first strike.
I did counter attack and won 5 fights - 2 praetorians and 3 catapults and deleted my last units after that.
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I had a whole post with all graphs in german, but the important bits:

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Units killed
~ 6000 prod, I hoped for more, if I had not the 2 mistakes against Aetryn, there would be more infantry and rfiles.

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I lost about over 9000 prod.
catapults, praetorians - good UU with an amazing shelflife, even if the need catapults to work.

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I think food shows my problem. I had even with my land not enough food to remain competive.
My land was lush, if I look at the rest of the map. Bing had maybe better land. But my strategic position was not good.

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power shows the second problem. I was more or less the whole game last in power.
Thanks to praetorians this isn't that bad, I was able to punch about my era, but still...

We still see the stackwipe Aetryn received near Setia and my burning of Prudence. The sharkfin from Antium is impressive, but Bing tops this with the battle of Creation.
But props to Greenline, even with a huge nosedive of his production (I think, he lost all mining after he lost the mining HQ) he was able to recover from Creation.


Why I lost:
Boudicca was maybe a mistake. I think, I overstated the commerce win from AGG - it should be better for my game than FIN, but till the relevant part - the wardeclartion from greenline/Aetryn) FIN should be better.
I had to few cities and I settled in the wrong order.
The actions after Aetryn bruned Ravenna were wrong too.
I started to invade more or less aimless.
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