American Politics Discussion Thread

[superdeath]

So, stopping Iran (a country that is a constant threat to those around it, and helps spread terrorism via many groups..) is a bad thing? Especially when you try and compare what China and Russia have done.. and then try and lump the USA into the same "punishment"? lol. "we already sanction over a third of the planet who arent as bad" There you go lying.


Im pretty sure our last few presidential choices have shown that we dont mind fucking ourselves.

[BING_XI_LAO]

For too long the Middle East has been destabilised by religiously motivated terrorism, specifically Jewish and Christian Evangelical terrorism. Israel and the US are the leading state sponsors of terrorism in the world, and they are religious zealots pursuing a doomsday prophecy while engaging in nuclear proliferation. Both of these rogue states engage in terrorist assassinations and the destruction of civilian infrastructure as a matter of course.

This war would not have happened if the US hadn't rejected one of the finest traditions of European civilisation: banning Jews, whose inherently genocidal religion lionises the mass murder of non-Jews in all three of its major holidays, from public life. Finance, media, education, judiciary, politics... it was always done for a very good reason. 
Our Mediaeval Kings were right.
The Roman Emperors were right.
Pharaoh was right.
Trump was wrong. None of his Jewish advisors care about the cost to the European civilisation of this war; they only care about transforming Israel into a regional hegemon, and if in the process the US hegemony is exhausted and replaced on the world stage - that's fine, as long as Iran is taken out first. 

Fortunately, Iran, the Land of the Aryans, continues to defend Indo-European civilisation against the liberal-democratic regimes.



Crashing the global economy with no survivors. Dubai is just the beginning. For every little girl murdered in the Shajareh Tayyebeh Elementary School, 100,000 starving democratic liberal westerners will cannibalise each other in an apocalyptic future where human rights, non-phonetic methods of teaching reading, transgender sex change operations, Common Core mathematics, and gay married men like Scott Bessent adopting little boys for use as catamites will all have faded away like a strange and perverse nightmare. This is justice.

I just hope the Chinese have enough EVs and coal to handle what's coming, but I think they do. They've already made plans since the destruction of Nordstream.

ALLAHU AKBAR

[Mjmd]

So SD its not like Iran wasn't a pseudo enemy or was a saint. But I go back to my questions earlier. What is the mandate for us to be the "world police"? Are we all the time or just when the country involved has oil? Who decides when we do that? It would be one thing if there was international backing, but just doing randomly is questionable. Which I will bring up the question of timing; ie why now? There was a lot of internal momentum going on and their leader was super old. What was the imperative for now? It looks suspiciously like Trump did this as a PR stunt because he thought it would be easy. Also, I will bring up again we kind of suck at the whole regime change thing. I have a lot of sympathy for those living under repressive regimes or in extremely unstable situations, but we suck at it and if there is a right way of going about these things I think international backing and cooperation has to be part of it both so we aren't randomly stupid but also for higher chance of success. The way Trump is going about trying for regime change (if that is his goal) is also questionable (again depending on how low you set the bar for whatever reason you latch onto as some kind of valid reason).

TLDR even if you don't like Iran there is plenty to not like about what / why the US is doing what it is doing.

[Charr Babies]

So, stopping Iran (a country that is a constant threat to those around it, and helps spread terrorism via many groups..) is a bad thing? Especially when you try and compare what China and Russia have done.. and then try and lump the USA into the same "punishment"? lol. "we already sanction over a third of the planet who arent as bad" There you go lying.

The real threat to people around the world, the force that has spread terror across oceans thousands of miles away - is us. How many people have we killed since World War II with nukes, TWICE, and those carpet bombing you are always bragging about. 

Since you major in history you must have seen the Wikipedia Page accounting US's war crimes. And those are just a small sample since WWII atrocities that absolutely sticks. It does not even include any recent events such as Iraq, genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza, Venezuela, and targeting young school girls, Iran. I think I forgot a recent events or two. Yup too many to keep track.

NO, I don't lump the USA into the same "punishment" category. China and Russia are much better than that.  

Instead of parroting Fox News cliché , like the time you accusing China of being expansionist while simultaneously mocking its supposed military inexperience - Go ahead and list what Russia and China have done. I’ll match you two‑to‑one with what we’ve done to deserve "the same punishment", at the very least.


Like I said a couple of posts ago: anyone who thinks we’re some kind of benevolent state hasn’t learned a thing from history!



PS:
We have just lifted sanctions on Russian oil.

So it’s not moral righteousness that dictates your foreign policies - it’s your pocketbook. So now, can we just drop all this bullshit you've just posted.

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[Charr Babies]

@Charr I meant all of history not US history. In ALL of history there are a few examples of the populace rising up and everything working out. There are TONS of examples of attackers thinking that will happen and it not happening / happening but poorly.

China has two back‑to‑back examples of this dynamic. The late Ming was corrupt, weakened, and crisis‑ridden, and that collapse opened the door for the Manchus. In the early Qing, under the three High Qing emperors, China entered a period of real prosperity again. They weren’t necessarily beloved, but they were accepted - to the point that later generations questioned why Ming loyalists were so determined to restore the Ming in the first place.

The late Qing fell into the same pattern as the late Ming: corruption, incompetence, and decay. That decline set the stage for the so‑called "Century of Humiliation." People rose up, revolted, and eventually rebuilt the country into the prosperous China we see today.

Regime change can work - whether it comes from foreign conquest or from domestic revolution. The Manchus were eventually assimilated and governed in ways that strengthened China. The Maoist revolution was a homegrown upheaval driven by the people, for the people.



The major reason US led regime change never works is simple:
The United States acts primarily in its own interest, focused on exploiting labor, extracting resources, and leveraging power from other nations

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