[SPOILERS] Roland and Suboptimal Team Up

[suboptimal]

There is no top half of the tech tree to focus on since we're using tech & civic shuffling. To find Square Rigging we'll either need to complete the immediate prerequisite, get lucky on a GS eureka or kill something (barbarian, likely) with a musketman.

One other thing to note about the trees, particularly on the civics side. You need to look carefully at some of the paths. They have weird intersections and sometimes something that looks like a prerequisite is actually not just because of how they cross and intersect graphically. I've seen a tech at the top of the tree be the requirement for something on the bottom of the tree. On the civics tree in particular I've see the dashed path lines go "behind" a civic in the previous column that wasn't a prerequsite.

[roland of gilead]

good point will be very interesting with shuffle. . i more meant on the eurekas.

you get 2 sea resources, 2 galleys, 2 harbours perhaps.

i get a quarry, 3 mines. iron mine perhaps that kind of thing.

no point in us both getting 3 archers maybe early if we are on same land mass one of us does warriors the other 3 slingers.

that musketman kill will be something. need some luck there. perhaps we even need to milk a barb camp.

we can sort that out once we have more map data.

[roland of gilead]

will need an aqueduct then an armory.

i will have a barracks anyway so that can be done.

[roland of gilead]

pleased to see TAD not take Spain.

If we get some luck and skill i should be first to fleets and then if it lasts that long armadas. armys

need to be sure i have production to leverage that.

[roland of gilead]

do we want to be on the same island Suboptimal?

I would say so yes.

[suboptimal]

Yes. It'll make it easier for mutual defense and to spread religion if we get one of the ones we want.

My last two test games I didn't beat the AI to Choral Music (late finding Astrology on the tree) and got Work Ethic instead. With a jungle start Work Ethic can be insane.

[roland of gilead]

yeah who ever get's work ethic will be a real competitor. It's almost free IZ

We can see what we take when we get religion.

It is hard to test via the AI as it does so much that doesn't apply here. I keep losing wonders there is no way i will lose here.

as long as we get 1 of the first 3 religions i will be happy. the wonder one is good for me in a way it isn't for others.

[suboptimal]

In my test games I was chasing a religion (though no projects) and using the hotseat set up to simulate teams. AI China is a waste of time and built few, if any, wonders.

For TBS's information, we confirm the following:

Suboptimal is playing Indonesia
roland is playing China

[roland of gilead]

Yeah that's the issue with the AI it just doesn't strategise.

It will run off and build Chechen on it's only rain forest and such as well.

I have to play settler to get stonehenge even though no one should be building it except in really special circumstances. Won a culture victory without trying in 130 turns the other day. With about 14 tourists.

[suboptimal]

I just had another thought regarding religion....depending on how the religious beliefs shake out among the "first movers" it might be an option to have Indonesia pick up a religion late. We would take the beliefs that benefit us most in the Classical/Medieval and then towards the end of the Medieval have Indonesia found a religion with a stored prophet, convert one of the Chinese cities and then China can strategically convert its population over using its built up faith reserves (Indonesia auto-converts with founding).