[SPOILERS] Oxy and suttree save the day, again!

[suttree]

Replied to c_h.
Agreed that the HE is very high priority - figured we get one shot to build the Parthenon, though. It more than pays for itself during the golden age and then - even if we never generate a great person outside of our NE city - pays very well for the rest of the game.

Golden Age:
6 GP@300-800=3300GPP
3300/3 - 3300/3.5=157 raw GPP saved=(157/3)*2=105 food saved

NE City:
Min 6 Spec * 3 * 0.5 = 9GPP/T

[Oxyphenbutazone]

Ok, so we get music t118 and alphabet about t121. I don't think we'll be able to research CS in time to revolt to bureaucracy when we trigger the GA, so we really only need CS researched by t131. So after music, I think we should change all wealth builds to the Parthenon. That should give us a very nice payoff to power research towards liberalism or nationalism. I also think we should fit in construction in between alphabet and CS, the bridges could be useful and it gives us a unit to build that won't obsolete for 100 turns. I see our attack on Orgy consisting of a couple draft-spam musket/cat stacks knocking out the border cities while an elite cuirassier stack -partially upgraded from knights- penetrates into Arki's core before he can whip his cities to the ground.

Parthenon is definitely good in Floreal, seems like it'll be an 8-9 turn build. Should we build a barracks after the current missionary build is finished there?

[suttree]

Ok, so we get music t118 and alphabet about t121.

Awesome. I'll just leave tech as you've set it.

So after music, I think we should change all wealth builds to the Parthenon.

Aren't we restricted to building a wonder in only one city at a time? Definitely failgold on the Great Library and Paya post Music.

I also think we should fit in construction in between alphabet and CS, the bridges could be useful and it gives us a unit to build that won't obsolete for 100 turns.

This does sound right - we can build the HE as soon as possible and start one-turning cats while we research CS->Paper->Liberalism->MC. Then forge->Stables in OR and start Knights while we research Gunpowder->MilTrad. A round of drafting after Gunpowder, then another round ready for when Rifling hits.

Should we build a barracks after the current missionary build is finished there?

Sorry - I still need to plot out the timing on all the missionary deliveries and growth plans for the GP cities. I don't know if we have the surplus hammers. I was kind of hoping Arki would deliver a missionary as promised. I'll get these plotted out Sunday.

[Oxyphenbutazone]

Are we even sure we want to go down the liberalism path? I don't see us ever building a university: they're terrible investments on their own and our would-be Oxford city has no production. And the liberalism civics aren't going to be worth it for a long time. What about we go CS-Nationalism-MC-Machinery-HBR-Feudalism-Guilds-Gunpowder-Mil Trad? The only real loss I see is that we lose the ability to bulb Printing Press.

If we can get a place to cash in GM trade missions, we could pre-build a bunch of knights and upgrade them en masse. Then just mix in some drafted muskets and cats and we have a civ-killing attack force.

[suttree]

I think we should take one thing as fixed: we will generate 6GP during the golden age. For eleven turns, we turn 2 food in to 10.5GPP in as many cities as worthwhile.

I distrust any plan that *requires* us to negotiate trade missions - we can't force them. C_H would be our likely partner and I don't see him as reliable enough to build a game plan around. I mean, even if he gives his word, there's no habit (like w/ NAP's) that prevents him from spontaneously changing his mind. So we have to provide a military escort. Which freaks him out and causes him to spontaneously change his mind. And our plan is in the toilet.

Arki and Asterix are the same. Even KGB: he made a deal to trade stone t102, then changed his mind the turn before so Eggheads could revolt to Hinduism.

I don't know about liberalism, it depends on what Asterix does. We have our tech path (Music->Construction/Alphabet->CS) set for the near future, yes? So we have time to think it through.

[Oxyphenbutazone]

I agree on all counts

Any reason you haven't ended turn yet?

[suttree]

I just want time to plan, and I'm tired of KGB holding every single turn

[suttree]

Ok - there's still some worker micro for this turn. I have the GA prep done, it just needs to be checked today. We get our 6GP, and kill only 5 labour to do it. We do have to keep pumping missionaries in both the cap and Flo in order to prep the GP cities. You're right that Flo should be building the HE during the GA, so Mess takes over its role.

I juggled tiles in the cap/Flo and Bru - I don't know if that affects your Music plan.

[Oxyphenbutazone]

Nah, music is pretty flexible. Worst comes to worst, we just build more wealth turn 118.

[Oxyphenbutazone]

Logged in and declined the incense for silk deal * proposed, but from his message it seemed like you two had come to an agreement. When you play the turn, make sure to re-offer the deal.