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Thanks for the update! goodjob

Whipping a barracks in Cornell is fine. Then I hope we can get 3 units (spear, axe, chariot) in three turns, possibly four. goodjob

We should probably keep at least one of these around Cornell area in case we don't extend the NAP with India. The axes should go down south, they are needed down there more in the north, as they're really the only thing that can at least fight Praetorians.

With regards to worker actions:

1. We need to continue cottaging/chopping the riverside grassland in Princeton/Cornell/UTAustin Area
2. Should probably finish the road network between Illinois and Princeton
3. Mines should be done near Washington/Austin soon, but we'd like the cows to be improved too.
4. [Minor] Do we want to complete the road connection for those health resources that we already have connections to? That'd just give us 2 or 3 of them, in the event that we lose them. But it's honestly a very minor thing, and I don't think we'll have lots of trading opportunities since no one will need health resources. However, we may want to consider building a road on our other horse resource.

Do we want another worker out of Stanford after worker 12 comes next turn? There's a forest to chop, if we want to use it. Also, is there military police going to UWashington?

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THOUGHTS ON INDIA
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Do you have any idea what their tech rate is like? Other than Metal Casting, what Classical techs do they have? Are there tiles in their empire that we can see with an extra hammer, for instance, which would indicate that they have Iron Working? From the trade screen I saw on turn 90, I don't think anyone has Currency yet, is that right? I wonder if anyone is aiming for Aesthetics/Literature.

India does have a high GNP, but how much of that is culture from religion and wonders? Remember that they don't even have an academy, but they do have 13 cities. And Police State as a civic has the following properties:

1. High Upkeep (making it worse for them!)
2. +25% military unit production (will probably be useful)
3. -50% war weariness (probably not that useful to them)

TeddyKGB

Yuufo asking for NAP t140.
Chat log, some interesting info here.

So, what do you think? Suggest NAP t120? t130? Accept t140?
He wants some answer before play the turn.

EDIT: 25% EP from Nationhood, not PS.

DMOC

My gut says: turn 140 seems a bit too far for my liking.

What do you think?

It's important because we're right next to India, so we have a huge influence on what they do. If we don't sign NAP then we risk 2 borders being dangerous (and India attacking us if we have to defend against Rome). But then we'll become the laughingstock of Realms Beyond if we just let our neighbor develop in peace. frown

TeddyKGB · November 23rd, 2013, 02:39

We can't do much dmg now 1vs1 to India.
They had more pop, more MFG, more happy and PS+forges for 50%bonus to units.

We just can't fight ancient war now, as I see it.

Our initial plan was to survive till Catapharcts when we could do some dmg.

TeddyKGB · November 23rd, 2013, 22:01

T93.

Most important news - Orgy finished Currency this turn. They are also has 286gold in treasure atm.
So I suppose there is some failed gold from Mids/HG?

Tao spread in Cheer this turn. Tao spread is much better than Confu (state religion) for Yuufo.
Good it was Tao, hope it will spread to us soon.

We are keep working on Currency - T96.

Chariot cover UWash for happiness. Soon we could whip barracks there and put overflow into Moai.

Borders for Stanford, UC and UT will pop next turn. Cow at UT will be pastured on T95.

I did move some workers to improve deer in Ulllinoise, so we can finish it once city grow size3.
We want some pop in that city in case we had to whip vs Rome.

Some interesting pictures in the mail. As you can see, Rome is 4t away from Math on t92.

I could finish the turn later and post full report.

DMOC

Looks good. Maybe Orgy did fail on Pyramids/HG. It would be hilarious if they tried to finish Hanging Gardens on the same turn we did. lol

(Though with only six cities, last I checked, The Hanging Gardens wouldn't have been a good wonder for them!)

No need for an overly-detailed turn report, I know pretty much what's going on, but are there cities that need to start something new? I.e. I think Stanford finishes up a worker (our twelfth), so we might consider building another one (?). And MIT can continue building military I guess. Put all non-military police stuff in the south, of course.

EDIT: One last thing, are we going to send our scout down south? We could do that (outside chance we can get circumnavigation) or could try and send him to meet the other 2 teams, if only to get extra open borders partners for teams that are non-threats to win the game.

EDIT 2: I'll log into the game soon to check things out, but due to the Thanksgiving break in the U.S., I will be away from my CIV computer from Tuesday through Friday.

EDIT 3: Want to send a message to Team Orgynized asking them for a missionary? We could say:

Quote:Team Orgynized,

Congratulations on being the first team to get Currency! We're still trying to get there, but since you've got it, we can start trading gold. In particular, if you'd like gold for a Hindu missionary, we'll be happy to agree to that. We're also willing to trade a worker for a missionary, or another similar exchange. Let us know what your asking price is.

Sincerely,
DMOC of Team EggHeads

(Their religion is Hindu, right? And what price of gold (if we should pay that way) would work? Should we instead offer a worker? I think we should offer rather than have them offer to us.)

DMOC

I took a look into the game (turn 94), but didn't do any worker actions. Some recommendations:

Last thing ... we badly need happines. We will rapidly fall behind other teams that have happiness resources.

Thus, I suggest we send the following messages ASAP:

To Orgynized:

Quote:Team Orgynized,

We apologize for the delay in getting back to you. We would officially like to "purchase" one of your Hindu missionaries.

Our offer is that we can gift you a worker in exchange for a Hindu missionary and 40 gold. A worker costs 20 hammers more than a missionary, so we hope that the gold can help make up for the uneven hammer costs. To add incentives for you, once we get your religion, we'll be actively spreading it to the rest of our cities, so you can reap increased benefits from the shrine.

If you agree to this deal, we would like for you to spread Hinduism to the city of MIT by turn 105, and to send the 40 gold by then. On turn 105, we will gift you one of our workers who will enter Leia's culture borders. (Let us know if you'd like the worker on a specific tile, or even in another city.)

Let us know what you think.

Sincerely,
DMOC of Team EggHeads

Note: we would offer worker A who is working at Berkeley. We'd probably have him road another tile or two, perhaps cottage something, then gift to Orgynized in Leia. We could also ask for one earlier ...

To Asterix:

Quote:Asterix,

We apologize for the delay in getting back to you. We would like to officially offer our stone for your incense starting on turn 105 to turn 114 (including turn 114), for 10 turns. We can continue this deal beyond turn 114 if both parties agree.

Let us know what you think, as we have competing offers for our stone.

Sincerely,
DMOC of Team EggHeads

I think 11 turns gives us enough wiggle room to finish Moai (with one, possibly two whips + 1 chop) and have time for other cities to put fail gold hammers on it.

DMOC

SutOxy are complicating things since they also want our stone. lol

Of note is that they will get Currency one turn before we do; and they are up Calendar on us, too. frown

Quote:Eggheads,

First:
t100 is approaching - would you like to renegotiate our NAP? Since we are far, and to keep things simple, we propose an indefinite NAP with 10T cooldown. That is an NAP with no fixed end date, but an agreement that either party can terminate at any time by giving 10T notice. Saves time, provides a measure of certainty, but doesn't constrain either party if relations break down.

Second:
We get currency next turn. Brainstorming ideas, we realized its faster and cheaper for us to rent stone from you than to research masonry and develop our own. We propose a trade of stone for 5g/t from turns t99-t108 inclusive (10T).

-The Oxysuttocratic Republic

I would really not like to help them out if possible; I'd rather deal with Asterix first, and t99 doesn't give us enough time to finish the Moai Statues. I suggest extending our NAP to turn 150.

Teddy, any thoughts? I actually asked Orgynized for some more gold in my latest revision to the messages above, saying that we'll do our best to spread their religion so they get more gold per turn.

I'm heading out for the holidays, so I won't have access to the game for 3 or 4 days.

TeddyKGB · November 25th, 2013, 13:34

Sorry, I'm too tired.
Could you finish the turn, please?

I did move all workers except one near Stanford, probably could chop into CM or move toward sheep for new city.
Shuffle tiles a bit, I'm not sure its right play, but I was maxing some grow/builds.
I'm not sure CM/MIT/Stan on the right config now.
I'm kinda sure UT is.
UC/UWash could switch corn if needed.

Military units unmoved, waiting for GG finish turn. Top power grow again, we might not hold UIllinoise after all. Any suggestion how to defend?

I'll try to answer to all your posts later.

I probably could finish the turn close to timer, if you cant.
But I hope you can.

DMOC

I won't be able to log in for about four more days, sorry. frown

But it looks like you've made it in time.

UIllinois, not much to say here, I think we just pack axes on the silver tile? I'm not sure if we should put them in the city or on the hill; we might want a mixture because if they get on the hill they can go to the capital.

Also, should we head for Construction after Currency? We badly need more tech (and we don't need more cities now) as DT already have Construction.

I can make more detailed comments later. Would it be okay to have a detailed turn 95 report?

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