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[SPOILERS] Oxy and suttree save the day, again!




Wrote this e-mail to Arki. I left you out since you're the voice of reason in this whole thing.

Hey Arki - I saw your post in the tech thread and I'm sorry that you feel the game has not helped you learn more about Civ4. I would encourage you, however, to take some responsibility for your own behaviour during this game and your own role in learning.

I also only started playing Civ4 one year ago. I started this game as a dedlurker and became a player only when HBHR and Kurumi disappeared. I hate doing diplomacy, but I understood that it was an important part of the game. I invested my free time in writing messages: I felt I did my best to communicate clearly my expectations and to meet the expectations of the players who took the time to write to me.

That's why I was so angry when I thought LP broke our original agreement - an agreement clearly documented over several e-mails. It made me feel like I had wasted my time and that another player simply wasn't paying attention. It's also why I felt very bad when I realized you had taken over for LP and were just doing your best.

But as the game progressed it seemed to me that you were not doing your best. Why hadn't you simply reviewed the e-mails I had previously written to LP? Or asked for clarification when you took over?

It also made me feel like I had wasted my time when I made a trade with you in the game and it took you a full 30 turns to deliver on your end of the bargain. I continuously had to revise my game plan for what appeared to be your convenience. And I couldn't say anything for fear that you would just change your mind and never follow through.

And presently I have no idea what you mean when you say you are in a "fucking awkward position where 5T means nothing unless explains what it means". You yourself signed this agreement:

(1) Both parties agree to a NAP ending T150 unless renegotiated on or before t140.
(2) Both parties agree that so long as the NAP is in effect, neither party shall settle more than 5T from its capital in the direction of the other without first coming to a mutual agreement.

If you didn't understand it, why not ask for clarification at the time? It means exactly what it says.

I acknowledge that I haven't been a friend to you - I don't think we need to be friends in order to play a game. But I certainly don't believe you have somehow been treated unfairly.

Be well - suttree

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Can you think of a way of making a 10-turn NAP elongation NOT sound like, "we're planning to attack you 10 turns after our NAP expires"?
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(February 12th, 2014, 23:03)Oxyphenbutazone Wrote: Can you think of a way of making a 10-turn NAP elongation NOT sound like, "we're planning to attack you 10 turns after our NAP expires"?

We could offer an indefinite NAP with 5T cooldown. I imagine he thinks we're going to attack t150, so when we don't attack t150 maybe that will throw him off.

Should we burn the city if he settles it? We could say - look we just don't like your silly city, but we're not attacking you, even though we could.

Floreal one-turning Cuirassiers is always going to look fishy though.
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We could imply that we're looking south for expansion. Let's just give Arki the city, but use the violation as justification for not signing a long-term NAP. In the end, it's a free 100 hammers for us 20 turns down the line.
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OK - I sent this:


Arki,

I personally am not all that interested in doing diplomacy with you going forward, but Oxy says I should be more reasonable and just let you keep the city. We would like to maintain a secure eastern border. For that reason, we offer a deal similar to the one we have with Yossadorn: an indefinite NAP with five turns of cool down. That is, starting t150, both teams agree to a non-aggression pact that may be terminated by either party with five turns notice. If you have any questions about what that means, please feel free to ask.

We will not tolerate any more aggressive city plants on our border. If you can manage to avoid threatening our border, we would be happy to talk about extending the cooldown.

Regards,
suttree

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*B4ndit accidentally ran a counter-espionage mission against us
*Constitution will be ready for the t150 revolution which is nice.

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We've probably hit the time when workshops are better tiles to work than immature cottages, I think the filler should steal one lake from Thermidor, have 2 farmed tiles and then workshop everything else.

When do we start whipping cuirs?
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As Financial, and with solid infrastructure, I'm not sure it's better for us to work a workshop tile until ~10T before Communism outside of our hammer cities.

The plan before Arki went silly again was:

t150 - Revolt to Slavery, Organized Religion, and now Representation
t151 - Trigger 3rd Golden Age
t152 - Start second (heavy) draft
t153 - Make sure all Cuirassiers are prepped
t154 - Whip Forges
t155 - Revolt to Theocracy, Whip Cuirassiers
t159 - D-Day
t161 - Last Cuirassier Whip
t162 - Revolt to Organized Religion
t163 - Golden Age Ends
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