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Nicolae Carpathia · June 20th, 2011, 15:27

Oh bloody hell not again. Luckily my dudes are 444 from my cap, still inside my borders, and I'm halfway through training another warrior.

Hey there,

It turns out we've met in FfH PBEM VII. Unfortunately, the circumstances are not great...

It would be appreciated if you could contact me as soon as possible as i am reluctant to hold the turn for too long. However, i have to make a decision this turn that affects your game in a very real way.

Long story short: I'm your neighbour. I'm the guy on 64k power. I know you have little/no military. I'm at your border.

If you catch me on chat and agree to a confidentiality clause, then i could possibly be enticed to send the forces elsewhere...like the elves.

Let me know.

Kyan
Clown Kings

fire&ice · June 20th, 2011, 15:47

Nicolae Carpathia Wrote:Oh bloody hell not again.

The devil has come knocking

diablo

:BK2::BK2:

and his army to boot

PS. Do you know what he has on your border?

Nicolae Carpathia

I'll edit this into a coherent form later. There was a bit of chat after this, I revealed that I don't have any food resources and that I don't feel like I know what I'm doing (both true).

The gist is...

#2 wants to suckerpunch #1 with HN animals. He's also going to use this 64k power level to bully me into good settlement deals (though his growth curve is probably good enough that I doubt I can compete for that land). And he wants death/entropy mana for shenanigans, I'll try to make it a trade instead of a loan. I can definitely agree to 3), wouldn't mind playing the two off against one another. 4) is the sticking point, I was hoping I would have a neighbour to sic my PZs on, but hey I have mages.

fire&ice · June 20th, 2011, 16:14

you pasted chat twice

Selrahc · June 20th, 2011, 23:53

Now this is a much more effective boot to the throat than "I might explore a lair". lol

That said.. a Griffon probably won't kill you. And you can pump enough forces in before his reinforcements arrive to at least survive. But it should be able to choke you for a long time. Making a deal here is good.

Agreeing not to use Pyre Zombies for the rest of the game is a no. Negotiate that down into some sort of no rush agreement.

The settle agreement sounds fine. If Gaspar is dead or choked badly then we shouldn't run out of land.

Pushing for either the reduction to a single mana loan, or a 2/1 trade would be good.

Nicolae Carpathia · June 21st, 2011, 04:21

Oh man getting reminded of that stupid deal hurts every single time. I've been completely outplayed this game when it comes to diplomacy (not alot of practice).

Here are my attempts to butter up Kyan (packing 3 Griffons, 1 gorilla and a giant spider):

In short, I was only confident bumping it down to a T140 NAP, he wants me as a counterbalance to Gaspar (not a bad idea, playing the zeta against the beta. He doesn't know about the stupid deal I made earlier, so I remain useful).

Hmm, I probably made a mistake here though, I should have pushed for a shorter NAP so that there's a chance of me contributing to an early dogpile. Welp, I acted before I thought. I'm too damn nice when there's a human face in front of me.

But yeah, between the Sons of FFH5 and this Lizard event, I think there are a few issues with luck-based events in FFH lol

Nicolae Carpathia · June 24th, 2011, 07:31

Whoo some good luck for once!

Assaulted lair with 4 warriors. First bounced off for zero damage, second bought the lizard down to 2.9 (I think), and my C2 warrior won on 60% odds. Took shock promotion and healed for a turn, and popped the lair...

For a great sage! Academy will give me +10 beakers (as soon as I grow a size), and assuming maintenance doesn't increase too sharply too soon, and settling will give me +6 beakers +1h forever (I'm inclined towards academy, of course).

Pics and diplo forthcoming.

Ravus Sol · June 24th, 2011, 07:36

Nicolae Carpathia Wrote:Whoo some good luck for once!

Assaulted lair with 4 warriors. First bounced off for zero damage, second bought the lizard down to 2.9 (I think), and my C2 warrior won on 60% odds. Took shock promotion and healed for a turn, and popped the lair...

For a [SIZE="7"]great sage[/SIZE]! Academy will give me +10 beakers (as soon as I grow a size), and assuming maintenance doesn't increase too sharply too soon, and settling will give me +6 beakers +1h forever (I'm inclined towards academy, of course).

Pics and diplo forthcoming.

Go you! You've deserved some good luck for awhile. The Academy with the Wines will be powerful.

Nicolae Carpathia · June 24th, 2011, 07:40

Question for Selrahc, should I continue down the BW beeline, or should I make a detour for education and CoL as soon as exploration comes in? Or even afterwards, so that those jungles get cleared and I get my culture infusing the jungles around the Pyre?

Selrahc · June 24th, 2011, 12:55

Great news on the great sage. Sorry for not being around too much this week. Been a little busy.

Now as far as I can see things then, we're in a slightly odd diplomatic situation. In that both of our neighbours have forced us into long NAPs. Pyre zombies aren't going to get a chance to be a big ticket item, apparently. Sad as that makes me. I feel like it's partially my fault for having a slight reputation as a zombie rusher due to my failed PBEMIV attempt...

Anyway. Time to refocus. If we can't steal their stuff we'll just have to make our own. Builder mode as hard as we can.

Now, I'm unsure whether getting BW as soon as possible might still be the best course. As we've seen, loads of jungles. If you detour away to push for CoL, how many farmable tiles are there?

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