Who shall lead us to Victory!!!

[BaII]

It's k, btw guys I will be gone for Spring Break (March 23- March 28)

[TheHumanHydra]

No problem; thanks for letting us know, BaII.

[TheHumanHydra]

Yeah, it looks like I'm not going to have any time for testing this weekend either. Thankfully, we do have a good micro plan for each start; we just don't know if they're absolutely the best. So we do have something to go off of.

[TheHumanHydra]

It seems this game is taking longer to start than we thought. I may have some time tomorrow night to do some simming, anyone else? And/or any thoughts on specific approaches I should sim out?

[TheHumanHydra]

Um, if you want to go for it early, do it right: (start 2)

T0: 1/14 - 4/20 wb
T1: 2/14 - 8/20 wb
T2: 3/14 - 12/20 wb
T3: 4/14 - 16/20 wb
T4: 5/14 - 20/20 wb
T5: 10/14 - 3/80 SH (imp. fish)
T6: 15/14 - 6/80 SH
T7: 1/16 - 9/40 worker
T8: 1/16 - 18/40 worker
T9: 1/16 - 27/40 worker
T10: 1/16 - 36/40 worker
T11: Anarchy
T12: 1/14 - 63/40 worker (1 pop whip)
T13: 2/14 - 46/80 SH (move chop)
T14: 3/14 - 52/80 SH (chop 2t)
T15: 8/14 - 55/80 SH (chop 1t)
T16: 9/14 - 80/80 SH (chop finishes)
T17: 14/14 -> grow back to 2

Till T11 you should be able to get BW (T7 I doubt very much on those settings).

And that is with the seafood-start. Still 1 workboat, 1 worker done at that point, so not even that far back on developing this start (of course 80 SH hammers are 54 hammers for something else, so you could have another worker and a workboat nearly done at that point instead).

I don't think we're going to do any better than this. I got Stonehenge out end of turn 15 but that was at size one with only one worker and no work boats. With two workers I got it out end of turn 17, but that was still at size one. So unless someone else wants to take a stab at it, looks like this is what we're doing!

[CFCJesterFool]

Um, if you want to go for it early, do it right: (start 2)

T0: 1/14 - 4/20 wb
T1: 2/14 - 8/20 wb
T2: 3/14 - 12/20 wb
T3: 4/14 - 16/20 wb
T4: 5/14 - 20/20 wb
T5: 10/14 - 3/80 SH (imp. fish)
T6: 15/14 - 6/80 SH
T7: 1/16 - 9/40 worker
T8: 1/16 - 18/40 worker
T9: 1/16 - 27/40 worker
T10: 1/16 - 36/40 worker
T11: Anarchy
T12: 1/14 - 63/40 worker (1 pop whip)
T13: 2/14 - 46/80 SH (move chop)
T14: 3/14 - 52/80 SH (chop 2t)
T15: 8/14 - 55/80 SH (chop 1t)
T16: 9/14 - 80/80 SH (chop finishes)
T17: 14/14 -> grow back to 2

Till T11 you should be able to get BW (T7 I doubt very much on those settings).

And that is with the seafood-start. Still 1 workboat, 1 worker done at that point, so not even that far back on developing this start (of course 80 SH hammers are 54 hammers for something else, so you could have another worker and a workboat nearly done at that point instead).

I don't think we're going to do any better than this. I got Stonehenge out end of turn 15 but that was at size one with only one worker and no work boats. With two workers I got it out end of turn 17, but that was still at size one. So unless someone else wants to take a stab at it, looks like this is what we're doing!

This micro can't work. Max hammers @ sz 1 before border pop is 3 (2H center tile + 1H working GF). The best I could come up with is EOT 17 Stonehenge (improved fish+1 worker). Still trying different approaches so can't say what the best micro is but on the bright side, looks like Oracle should be doable EOT 32. Depending on approach, BW is complete @ EOT 7/8.

[TheHumanHydra]

Oh, shoot - yeah, both my T17 plan and Serdoa's T16 plan require working a tile outside our borders at the start. Can you show your T17 plan, Jester?

[CFCJesterFool]

Oh, shoot - yeah, both my T17 plan and Serdoa's T16 plan require working a tile outside our borders at the start. Can you show your T17 plan, Jester?

Yes, but I am still tweaking the micro. I'll post later today (save+micro plan).

[TheHumanHydra]

I just found a way to get it eot16, one work boat, one worker, just a little less food than Serdoa had:



Ignore the tech at the top; I just selected the first thing on the list.

T0 - 2/14 - 3/20 work boat - work grassland forest
T1 - 4/14 - 6/20
T2 - 6/14 - 9/20; borders pop
T3 - 7/14 - 13/20 - work plains forest
T4 - 8/14 - 17/20
T5 - 9/14 - 21/20; work boat finishes
T6 - 14/14 - 4/80 Stonehenge - work fish; work boat improves fish, city grows to size 2
T7 - 0/16 - 9/40 worker - work fish, plains forest
T8 - 0/16 - 18/40
T9 - 0/16 - 27/40
T10 - 0/16 - 36/40
T11 - 0/16 - 36/40 - revolt to Slavery
T12 - 0/14 - 68/40 - whip to size 1, work fish; worker finishes
T13 - 1/14 - 43/80 Stonehenge - work plains forest; worker moves 1W to grassland forest
T14 - 2/14 - 49/80; worker chops 1t
T15 - 3/14 - 55/80; worker chops 2t
T16 - 4/14 - 80/80; worker finishes chop, Stonehenge finishes
T17 - 9/14 - 2/? - work fish
T18 - 14/14 - 4/?; city grows to size 2

[CFCJesterFool]

I did a different approach and it gets Stonehenge EOT 16 (Bismark) and Oracle EOT 31 (Bismark). First, Stonehenge...


Oracle...


The saves...
  sim.zip (Size: 130.13 KB / Downloads: 2)
Two Capitals...




I wasn't sure if the wheat was wet (need to check live save) but regardless, improving the weat first is a mistake. The gem tile is the priority (need the commerce since BW->AH->TW->Pottery->Meditation->PH->Writing is a lot of techs). Anyway, have a look at the saves. Vicky could have easily gotten out a settler without impacting the Oracle date.