RB Pitboss #2 [SPOILERS] - Gandhi of Korea (Broker33 & plako)

[plako]

Possible answer:

Dear Whosit,

I obvivously would prefer keeping original deal that you in practice suggested few turns ago. However I'm willing to negotiate. I would like to see our NAP to be prolonged until turn 120 and your city moved 1E. It would still claim the cows and would actually be better fit with your capital's BFC. This would allow us 2 cities between your capital and ours i.e.
1) 1W from the northern silk
2) Hill NW from the crab

If you provide us gold or some other happy resource, I would be very happy to offer silk to you.

Best regards plako and Broker33

[Broker33]

Looks good, simple and points out that it is him that opened renegotiation. May want to word it as 1 nap extention not as the turn number so it looks like less than it is.

[plako]

Ok there is fair chance that there is copper close by the cow. Rome's power graph raised to indicate BW simultaneously that they made new offer to us. It is quite probable that we will have hard time in claiming/keeping that spot so I guess getting a deal based on diplomacy is better.

I also played our turns. I switched production to Settler and if I counted right we should be able to whip it next turn. However I'm not quite certain, if building it normally in 4 turns would be wiser. If we whip, overflow should finish the Warrior and we could continue with another warrior.

[plako]

I edited the message a bit and sent it.

[plako]

I decided against whipping the settler. As long as the turn hasn't rolled over we can whip, if you think it would be better.

We'll get it in 3 turns and we're currently working best possible tiles that all provide some commerce. Now that we've 2 prerequisites for the AH that 1 commerce coming from the riverside hill gives the AH 1 turn earlier than without it. Furthermore we've still 4 turns of whip unhappiness left. This gives us also opportunity to grow to size 4 and whip 2nd worker quite a bit sooner.

[plako]

Nothing new to report. Settler comes in 2 turns and AH 5.

[Broker33]

Really not feeling good about our chances without copper. Do you think we should go immediatly to IW and hope for Iron after AH?

I am assuming horses arent good defense against praets.

[plako]

Neither Archers or Chariots would do well alone. Having both of them could work, but it would be quite expensive for us. We need 3 maybe even 4 Archers/Chariots per praetorian to have decent shot at taking the attacking force down and he could also build Spears for cost effective counter to Chariots. Archers to defend and Chariots to counter attack. Since Iron is not certain, going for IW would also be a gamble. However if we don't have even horses it might be our only chance. I really would like to beeline to construction instead of going for IW. This would also give us better chops early to raise our military faster than Rome could do, when they go for IW.

We also should build WB for scouting to find other nations and check for Copper in the islands. We might find other nations that might be intrested in helping us out, even if we don't have copper.

[Swiss Pauli]

Really not feeling good about our chances without copper. Do you think we should go immediatly to IW and hope for Iron after AH?

I am assuming horses arent good defense against praets.

Frankly, if you get horses but can't find copper then you need to try a chariot-rush. High-risk, but better than waiting for Praets...

[plako]

Frankly, if you get horses but can't find copper then you need to try a chariot-rush. High-risk, but better than waiting for Praets...

That is good idea. However our NAP is lasting until turn 66. If we've possibility to pillage their metal (assuming they've one), this could work.