(March 12th, 2013, 03:43)Qgqqqqq Wrote: No I meant giving auric spiritual (used by...3...units)
I wouldn't call that a nerf; spiritual has some economic implications as well. It does make the Illians more of a one trick pony, however.
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I still disagree that Arcane is better for the Illians than Spiritual, but I do agree that the change is for the worst because of the railroading. A PoW rush is almost mandatory now
Merovech's Mapmaking Guidelines:
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.
1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.
2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.
3. Feel (Avoiding Gimmicks): The map should not be overwhelmed or dominated by the mapmaker's flavor. Embellishment of the map through the use of special improvements, barbarian units, and abnormal terrain can enhance the identity and enjoyment of the map, but should take a backseat to the more normal aspects of the map. The game should usually not revolve around the flavor, but merely be accented by it.
4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
Why?
PoW aren't THAT powerful - they're basically the equivalent of ice 1 mages - I.e they have no long term utility, once your past the rush youve nothing going for you.
Whereas CHA/ARC gives a nice gameplan long term.
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(March 12th, 2013, 13:45)Qgqqqqq Wrote: Why?
PoW aren't THAT powerful - they're basically the equivalent of ice 1 mages - I.e they have no long term utility, once your past the rush youve nothing going for you.
Whereas CHA/ARC gives a nice gameplan long term.
Ehh, Cha + Spi PoW are almost unstoppable. They are significantly stronger in base strength and, most importantly, come much eariler and more consistently than 3 mages. Cha + Arc is only slightly better long term.
Merovech's Mapmaking Guidelines:
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.
1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.
2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.
3. Feel (Avoiding Gimmicks): The map should not be overwhelmed or dominated by the mapmaker's flavor. Embellishment of the map through the use of special improvements, barbarian units, and abnormal terrain can enhance the identity and enjoyment of the map, but should take a backseat to the more normal aspects of the map. The game should usually not revolve around the flavor, but merely be accented by it.
4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
Yeah they're unstoppable short term, but rushing with them dpminates your early tech path and direction, alienates opponents, and (especially on the large maps of recent times) is insufficient to take a game.
I'm not sure how you can possibly argue that arcane is only slightly better long term, but whatever.
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(March 12th, 2013, 14:15)Qgqqqqq Wrote: I'm not sure how you can possibly argue that arcane is only slightly better long term, but whatever.
Spiritual does save you a turn every time you want to revolt, which will be more often with EitB boosted civics. Being able to swap to App/Conq, knock out a bunch of adepts, and then swap back to econ civics seems pretty powerful to me.
It also doubles the speed of Temples of the Hand, right?
(March 12th, 2013, 14:15)Qgqqqqq Wrote: Yeah they're unstoppable short term, but rushing with them dpminates your early tech path and direction, alienates opponents, and (especially on the large maps of recent times) is insufficient to take a game.
I'm not sure how you can possibly argue that arcane is only slightly better long term, but whatever.
Because you have a crapton more land (conquered or freed up for settling by razing) plus anarchy-free switches?
Cross post with Mardoc
Merovech's Mapmaking Guidelines:
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.
1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.
2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.
3. Feel (Avoiding Gimmicks): The map should not be overwhelmed or dominated by the mapmaker's flavor. Embellishment of the map through the use of special improvements, barbarian units, and abnormal terrain can enhance the identity and enjoyment of the map, but should take a backseat to the more normal aspects of the map. The game should usually not revolve around the flavor, but merely be accented by it.
4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
