[LURKERS] PB27 Map & Lurking: Walking in a :weed: wonderland

[The Black Sword]

All I have to do in this game now is to develop at a reasonable pace and start killing people.

QotM?

[Ceiliazul]

But the land and huts loved me, and I got to touch myself (@Ceil: )

Just saw this thread after a several weeks RB diet. Happy you saw that Boldly, and that you enjoyed the... experience.

Also, this is funny:

Serdoa - Wang Kon (FIN/PRO) of England (Fis/Min, Redcoat/Stock Exchange)

Player skill: 4
I have no idea how good of a player Sertoa is, and have heard nothing about him/her, so I'm putting in a low-middle value under the assumption that they're on par with me.

yes:

As an SP-only player I can't get used to how lush these maps are. It makes REXing over dominant. Why build cottages when you can just work more gems and gold? The map-maker gets beaten up less this way?

200 lurker posts and no philosophical arguments that have no bearing on the game? I'm in!

[MindyMcCready]

HAK builds The Oracle, which means free Great Prophet points for a shrine, and an asston of culture down the road. He also has no second city yet, as one would expect, having dumped 150 presumably unmodified hammers into The Oracle.

Anyone think that we should ask 'Nyles' if he'd ever consider going wonder before Settler,...or if he's done it before?

So when do you think your first forge will come out?

When will he find the time for the forge?

What do you make of radio-silence as an answer? :LOL:

Yeah, as wetbandit said lusher map gets game jump-started quicker.


This also ties in to balance too, IMHO, in that it is easier to balance an asymmetric random map if it is lusher.

Agree and sympathize with the mapmaker's challenge.

The "free" commerce tiles are also there, as wetbandit says, get the game jump-started a bit faster, but there's another ~secret~ reason for them too. First of all, each player only has one such resource nearby (silver/gems/gold) that's not covered by jungle. Everyone's explored a fair bit now so I think its ok to spoil that. So, that's not too extreme - a single gold isn't enough to drive an entire economy. The big thing is actually the jungled copies. They're actually there to compensate for something else, something that players usually take for granted but so far only two players have noticed is missing. Cottaging will still be very important! The difference between being a tech leader and being behind always comes down to cottages, which in turn always comes back to how well you manage your food and worker labor.

I'm not sure that I understand given my light following of this game. Without knowing exactly what you're saying, I still like this as a lurker since it pushes IW and swords earlier for more blood.

Cities are just so cheap in these PB18 style games, with a huge map and cylindrical maintenance, that it's pretty much always a good idea to build another one. It's not the only choice, but whenever you're in doubt you can't go too wrong with choosing the REX option. That's why I like Toroidal maintenance, it makes those decisions a lot more interesting IMO. You need a plan to fund your expansion.

What TBS said. Plus the combination of really lush land + increased per city bonuses (Merc) + increased/earlier tile bonuses might make the snowball roll a little too fast. I guess KTB helps there. I might just be thinking PB25 where there aren't enough players for KTB to matter.

Yeah, I don't get that at all. I don't really want to slam the guy but HAK doesn't seem to calculate rate of return. We discussed this stuff nearly endlessly in PB25 (me catching him building zero return stuff ALL.THE.TIME.) but for whatever reason a 120H forge is better than a 100H settler that's gobbling up high yield tiles. I'm biting my tongue until it hurts.

Wait, you're the one in there championing for long term investments and sustainable future rate of return over short term goals?? I have to read that thread at some point!

:LOL: Your head would explode if you read that thread.

It was about T90 that HAK asked a question that made it clear that he didn't understand the mechanics of the whip. Things got a bit better after that was cleared up.

Yes, I strongly advocated for long-term investments. Investments like choke-points and removal of foreign cities from *our* landmass. :LOL: You probably wouldn't approve.

[Ceiliazul]

Dang mindy, now im curious to read that thread too! I thought you were a guy who figured blood could solve most problems. A position I celebrate as a lurker!

[Mardoc]

The city is already getting a wonder anyway

Wow, talk about counting your chickens before they're hatched! City hasn't even been founded yet and they're assuming a wonder will work to pop their borders. In a 23-player game.

[Ruff_Hi]

It was about T90 that HAK asked a question that made it clear that he didn't understand the mechanics of the whip.

Now I am wondering if I understand the mechanics of the whip.

[Rowain]

Dealing with Plako is easy. Just march a warrior into his undefended capital on t12 (or thereabouts)...

Did that really happen to Plako ? I only remember Mortius.

[novice]

Yes, in PB5.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid227024

[Rowain]

Yes, in PB5.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid227024

Ah that is one game I had completely ignored.

[Miguelito]

There's a rare sighting of a triple worker opening in Nyle's thread.

And by his reports his lands are full of unused improvements. Is there a way to play that opening with more profit? Like, be chm and grow the cities super tall and never whip? Don't feel it...