I don't know why he wants to found his copper city on such a non-defensible location.
I am fine with founding our city 2S of the rice. I think we're going to have to concede so as to found our city on time, and then we can focus on settling our south.
Iamjohn: After the worker, build/whip a settler.
I am fine with founding our city 2S of the rice. I think we're going to have to concede so as to found our city on time, and then we can focus on settling our south.
Iamjohn: After the worker, build/whip a settler.

) with the "maximizing the land" theme- and here's what I came up with. I also add where LiPing of the Romans should be according to the distances between civs that we've seen. If the land allows it she could be a little closer diagonally to us, but obviously we don't really know how the land lies out there.![[Image: civ4screenshot0058.th.jpg]](http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4093/civ4screenshot0058.th.jpg)
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