WW #41. New Horizons.

[Serdoa]

Starting position: Your vote is on Rowain, which is fine.

Post 1: You comment on the Brick wagon. The general message is that you don't like the wagon, fine. The content, though, is you going through all the voters and casting a bit of an aspersion on each of them in turn. It's a whole load of letters, but it's really a way to milk a simple statement of "there isn't much of a case against Brick" to make a bunch of people look scummy. You then, almost as an addendum, vote zakalwe without any explanation why you chose him amongst others.

You have read my earlier posts as well and realize that I was on zak for quite some time before yes? As for the other part here: No, this was not to just "milk" a simply statement, but to remind everyone what these players gave for reasons to vote BRick. Because those were bad reasons. And now BRick is dead and he was town. What tells us that me pointing out that these votes are bad was sensible for town to do.

Post 2: You change your vote to AdrienIer and provide a one-sentence explanation. You've already admitted that the justification you provide, "to make it close", makes no sense. All it does is repeat another player's words. Particularly strange that you should choose to quote a guy you just voted for.

I've explained the vote already. As for making it close: That makes sense due to the sensor-ability (just not the way I did it), zak is right with that, no matter his alignment. So why should I not "quote" him?

Post 3: Faced with the observation that your rationale is bullshit, you backtrack and claim you've messed up. That's fine. You then claim that your vote on AdrienIer makes no sense if both of you are scum. But that's plainly false. If you are both scum, and the AdrienIer wagon at the last minute took over Brick's, and your vote stayed on zakalwe, then the sensor for the lynch would clear a whole bunch of townies. It would be a disaster for you, as novice already pointed out. So your late vote on AdrienIer, under some sort of justification that makes you look a team player, and "to make it close" is just that, makes absolutely perfect sense. Your vote does not hammer him, it does however hedge against a last-minute switch by others. Your vote comes late enough that you can be fairly sure that it won't motivate new people to switch, and even your words basically say "hey, guys, this is now nice and even as we agreed".

For this to happen, 1 minute before deadline with at least 2 votes necessary (if I hadn't switched) is as unlikely as you can make it. If I had done it 10 minutes or at least 5 before deadline ok. But 1 minute left? But yeah, I explained myself, there is nothing else to come out of me than that. I was a dumb idea that I thought made sense till I realized it didn't. Not that I had mind lynching AdrienIer, as the case on BRick was shit.

I'm sorry, Serdoa, but all this just stinks to me, as does your emotional reaction and chest-beating.

Oh god, you don't know me at all, do you? Have we ever played together and I just forgot you? Are you really trying to make the argument that me being emotional is a scum-tell?

To clarify, I never said "I'm out", but neither am I going to be as engaged as before. I can see how my accusation was a bit shitty, but firstly I wanted to get it out, secondly I thought putting people under a bit of pressure is the whole point here. If these sort of plays are too much and frowned upon, I apologize.

No no, its fine. I certainly play much harsher than you ever will judging by this part of your post. Though I'm just coming around as harsh and unfriendly even though I'm the nicest, kindest person if you just get to know me better.

No, I'm not

[novice]

Also, about the one scum on the lynch theory, we should keep in mind that it might not be that easy for scum to coordinate their voting.

Semi-relatedly, I didn't really like Lewwyn's last posts on day one. He finds a decent enough reason to vote for me, but immediately allows me to rebut it and then votes Brick instead for his vote on me. Could you explain this in a less sleepy moment, Lewwyn?

[zakalwe]

On the other side it means Rowain is indeed telling the truth : he's not an earth first liberationist

This assumes that Serdoa is telling the truth. He could have redirected from himself to someone else, or he could be a godfather.

Does anybody want to claim locking out the Glum, and give their reason?

At least that confirms you didn't do the nightkill, assuming that it was a standard kill.

And this assumes that Gazglum is telling the truth. I'm not saying he isn't, but we can't just take his own word for not doing the night kill.

I didn't block Gazglum last night.

I also thought Serdoa a likely target. Strong player, people had given him town leans, and not on the Brickwagon.

Thinking in the context of the Sensor ability, if there was a scum voting Brick, they wouldn't want to cut down the possiblilities by reducing the field of suspects after a sensor potentially was told '1 of the 4 Brick voters was scum'. So Goreripper makes sense in the context of minimising information we might get.

On the other hand, if all four Brick voters were town, Scum would have a big incentive to kill one of them, because of the horror of getting 4 cleared villagers. That's not to say that there HAS to be scum among Novice, Zak, Lewwyn and Adrien, but I think it's likely, especially given Day 1's play.

Zak, why did you vote Brick at the last minute yesterday?

I voted for him with 3 1/2 hours remaining, for lurking. Not at the last minute. I do agree with your analysis that the night kill target further implicates one scum on the lynch.

I am also having an uneasy feeling about Lewwyn.

[Bacchus]

Of the Brick wagoneers, Zak and Lewwyn were the most disengaged and AdrienIer's starting push to the wagon was completely random, as I wrote. AdrienIer's claim is also safe, by the way, made after Serdoa announced the redirect to a player whose identity is pretty much confirmed. How did Rowain scan exactly, AdrienIer?

[Bacchus]

Nevermind, re-read the ability text.

[novice]

Also, has anyone made a list of what power-combinations we know so far?

List of abilities:

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Auto-Doc
Lockdown
Repositioning
Spyware
Weighted Voting
Jettison Interruption
Code Redirection
Sensor
Hackproof
Polygraph
Anchored
Background Check
Code Blocking

Claims, roughly in the order claimed:

• Rowain: Third party, <> 4 abilities
  
• Novice: Lockdown (jailer), Repositioning (commuter), Hackproof (bulletproof) and Anchored (lynch-immune) (Post 124)
  
• Serdoa: (Code-Redirection, Code-Blocking) and ((Lockdown, Repositioning) or (Hackproof, Anchored)) (Post 128)
  
• Bacchus: (Jettison Interruption and Weighted Voting) and ((Lockdown, Repositioning) or (Hackproof, Anchored) or (Code Blocking and Code Redirection)) (Post 143)
  (But denies in post 218 to have access to Lockdown)
  
• BRickAstley makes the ultimate claim
  
• Goreripper makes the ultimate claim
  
• Serdoa claims he redirected actions targetting Serdoa to Rowain on N1 in Post 193
  
• Gazglum claims failed ability use due to lockdown N1
  
• AdrienIer claims Background check, Autodoc. Says he used background check on Serdoa N1 (redirected to Rowain) and Autodoc on Gazglum N1.
  
• Lewwyn
  
• Zakalwe
  

[Gazglum]

Zak, Brick had more posts than Lewwyn or Goreripper. Lesser quality perhaps, but he wasn't a nonentity. Furthermore, he told us that he had to do a weekend yard sale and wouldn't be available much that day, and Lewwyn backed that up.

You also described his tone as seeming natural, which I would agree with:

I think Brick's passivity is in itself a slight scum tell, just because it makes it that much easier for him to avoid sticking his foot in the mouth. On the other hand, his tone seems natural and he hasn't stuck his foot in the mouth.

Following that you decided Novice seemed a reasonable choice, but you gave no reasons for this.

Regarding the lynch, I'm having a hard time deciding who to vote for. So that makes Novice a reasonable choice.

You then suggested that Novice's abilities were plausible for scum,

They look neutral to me. Two pairs of abilities where one of them is useful to scum and the other is useful to town. Seems like a plausible set of abilities for scum, too. And like you say, he would be a very well-endowed townie if that's his alignment. Just because he's claiming to be a supertownie, does not mean his claim is towny.

That said, I'm thinking of switching to AdrienIer or Brick for lurking.

Though there is no doubt that more details from Rowain would help town. So if he really wants to be pro-town, he should tell us more.

So here you open yourself up to moving off Novice, having never actually explained what your case against him is, but you don't do it. You leave it open. If you thought Rowain should talk more, you could have joined Serdoa and me there and tried to push him into a claim. If you had doubts about someone else, you could have engaged with them.

But instead you wait and watch, and when you do choose, you pick absent Brick, of the 'natural tone'. The easiest vote of all.

Why did you think Brick made for a better case over Adrien, if you were looking for lurkers? Do you think that intense lurking is in line with Brick's scum games?

Why did you make, then abandon your Novice vote?

Best case scenario, your Day 1 voting is extremely lazy. Worst case, it's full on scumtastic.

The one thing I can say for you is that you were honest with your opening statement:

It will bring me pure, unadulterated pleasure to jettison a random person into space!

And yes, I'm willing to repeat that under the polygraph.

[Gazglum]

[*]AdrienIer claims Background check, Autodoc. Says he used background check on Serdoa N1 (redirected to Rowain) and Autodoc on Gazglum N1.

Hang on, is that what you meant Adrien? That you simultaneously auto-doc'ed me and scanned Serdoa? Can we use two abilities in one night?

[novice]

[*]AdrienIer claims Background check, Autodoc. Says he used background check on Serdoa N1 (redirected to Rowain) and Autodoc on Gazglum N1.

Hang on, is that what you meant Adrien? That you simultaneously auto-doc'ed me and scanned Serdoa? Can we use two abilities in one night?

Ah, rereading he obviously meant that Autodoc was paired with Background check.
There's nothing in my role PM saying I can't use two abilities in one night, but I suppose it would be awkward if the two abilities are paired...

[zakalwe]

Gazglum, I didn't look at the post counts to determine who was lurking. By lurking I mean not contributing, and I didn't think Brick had contributed much. Maybe I did him an injustice there, but that's how I felt. Yes, I said that his tone was natural, but I also said that his passivity was a slight scum tell. AdrienIer made a brief case along the lines of "Brick running out of inspiration" which was ok in my book (though thoroughly dissected by Serdoa). Last time I was scum with Brick he did seem to struggle a bit with content generation. So it was a typical lurker lynch for me; I didn't really believe he was scum but it was certainly possible. It was largely a toss-up between him and AdrienIer. Goreripper was lurking too, but he had one substantial post of decent quality that put me off him. Lewwyn made a good impression early on with the 4x7 theory.

When I said Rowain should talk more that was intended to put pressure on him, and genuinely encourage him to talk more. I do think he should tell us his victory condition, which is really the crux of the matter. I could have placed a vote on him but that would have been much more likely to just get him hanged, in my estimation.

I was voting for Novice because I thought he had a couple of slightly off moments - calling my answers "wormy", and assigning town points to himself. Nothing objectively wrong with that last play, but it didn't seem entirely in character. Coupled with a lack of any other suspicions, that made him a reasonable candidate.