Do they know that we know that they know that we know that they know ...?

[pling]

No wonders in the event log

Pirates got 7k soldiers T77 - 1k is pop, leaves 6k - perhaps Sailing for their tech & a spear?

Gillette got 5k soldiers T77 - 1k is pop, leave 4k, probably another Chariot.

[pling]

TEAM grew Pidgeons 4->5. They also got a classical era tech, and 6k of soldiers so I'm putting that down as Maths. They may have popped the borders on something getting 5 more land tiles.

M3 whipped their capital 6->5, and popped the borders on their 4th city for 13 new land tiles (probably 13).

Gillette whipped a size 6 city to size 5 & got a classical era tech with no soldier points. So I think that's Aesthetics. If TEAM didn't get 5 more land tiles, perhaps Gillette did.

Pirates settled a new city for 7 land tiles, and grew a size 2 city to size 3.

[zakalwe]

So I think that's Aesthetics.

That's not good...

[zakalwe]

Also, why do the other teams whip cities from 6 to 5? That doesn't sound very efficient.

[pling]

So I think that's Aesthetics.

That's not good...

No, it's not.

It is a guess tho, and I possibly didn't point that out enough I am tending towards worst case guesses when I'm guessing things like techs (ie it'd be bad if it was Aesthetics so let's assume that) - another possibility is Monarchy.

Also, why do the other teams whip cities from 6 to 5? That doesn't sound very efficient.

Yeah, and I worry that means I'm wrong about population somewhere. But looking at civstats both M3 and Gillette had single whips T78, and using kalin's script to figure out what combinations of cities make what population number the only one that works has a 6->5 change. I also looked in the game last night between M3 & Gillette playing & saw M3's capital was size 5 where I'd got it down as size 6 on T77, so I'm reasonably confident that was the change. Just doesn't quite feel right :/

[plako]

I'll check this, but I've my doubts concerning Aesthetics. Maths or Monarchy would make much more sense. Hard to see them seriously building wonders without full chops.

[pling]

I'll check this, but I've my doubts concerning Aesthetics. Maths or Monarchy would make much more sense. Hard to see them seriously building wonders without full chops.

Don't think it can be Maths, there isn't the space in the power numbers for them to have got 6k for their tech. I should double check the graphs, but I believe on T77 they were on the same power as M3, which was joint rival top i.e. 68k. The rival top on T78 was still 68k so they've not increased from there.

[plako]

It is not Aesthetics and power graph got raise the same turn we got Maths, but I guess that raise should have come a turn after so this pretty much means Monarchy or Ancient tech instead. If it is Monarchy that is pretty good news. Pyramids wouldn't make much sense then. I also checked all the other classical techs we can see and all of them are owned by 0 teams (except MC).

[pling]

Thanks for checking, plako

It is not Aesthetics and power graph got raise the same turn we got Maths, but I guess that raise should have come a turn after so this pretty much means Monarchy or Ancient tech instead. If it is Monarchy that is pretty good news. Pyramids wouldn't make much sense then. I also checked all the other classical techs we can see and all of them are owned by 0 teams (except MC).

Yeah, I saw that power jump when I logged on after M3 but before Gillette during T78 - so definitely not their tech for T78.

It has to be a classical era tech - they had a 3 point reduction (whip from 21 total pop to 20 pop) followed by a 12 point increase. An increase in population from 20 to 23 would be 11 points (the 21st population point only gives you 3 score instead of the usual 4 due to rounding errors). So it's 2xtech ie a tech from the classical era.

So pretty much must be Monarchy (I think that's the only no soldier point tech that is achievable given the techs I think they already have).

[zakalwe]

In other words, we are keeping up in the civics race.