WW #41. New Horizons.

[Gazglum]

I missed that. Serdoa was actually a good choice : if he hadn't redirected himself the Gaz/you/him triangle would be a lot clearer right now

There is only a Gaz/Bacchus/Serdoa triangle because of Lewwyn's sensor result. You couldn't have known about that when you made your own choice, this is justification after the fact. I would quote something Latin at all, but I don't remember it.

[AdrienIer]

As you all point out I should have considered a sensor scan before I threw in my night actions, but if it came out at 0 scum on the lynch it's better to look away from the Brick voters, and also if it's 1. If both scum are Brick voters then they're done for anyway.

[Bacchus]

I missed that. Serdoa was actually a good choice : if he hadn't redirected himself the Gaz/you/him triangle would be a lot clearer right now

There is only a Gaz/Bacchus/Serdoa triangle because of Lewwyn's sensor result. You couldn't have known about that when you made your own choice, this is justification after the fact. I would quote something Latin at all, but I don't remember it.

Actually, the triangle arose because of scum NK choice, which removed Goreripper, who was off-lynch.

In fairness, a sensor result was expected. But the justification still fails, with sensor and scum splitting themselves on-lynch/off-lynch, wherever you aim the background check, it's going to be useful, unless you aim it at a redirector/confirmed 3rd party.

[Bacchus]

So let us back it up with some old fashioned reads. Bacchus, from your POV (if town), one of Serdoa or me is scum if Lewwyn tells the truth. Which do you think it is?

I have trouble reading you, as I said, whereas I've been noting things that rankle with me in Serdoa's posts and actions from start to finish. The way Lewwyn presented the case against you is quite convincing, so I would appreciate a concise explanation of what the hell were you doing exactly on D1 with all this floundering about.

[Serdoa]

Ok, maybe I'm the only one that is slow and does not get your long posts, but I'm at work. Anyhow, there are 2 possibilities regarding Lewwyn sensor scan:

a) we believe he lies
b) we trust him

In case a) we just lynch him.

In case b) we know that

- one of AdrienIer, zak and novice is a scum because sensor gave 1 scum on lynch as result
- one of Gazglum, Serdoa, Bacchus is likely scum because we expect at least 2 scum in this game and no one else is left besides those
- Rowain is third party, by AdrienIers claim

Additionally, it could be that AdrienIer is scum together with Rowain and lied about the result.
Or, Rowain could be scum godfather and scan as non EFL.

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Now given we assume Lewwyn says the truth it seems to me that voting for novice, zak or AdrienIer is the most sensible thing to do. Yes, that will not put me on the lynch, but it doesn't make sense to me to not lynch one of the 3 we know one is scum with the chance of Rowain being the second scum and instead going for one of 3 that actually put the most effort together with Lewwyn into unraveling whats going on.

Also, for those still believing I'm scum because I voted AdrienIer: I was not on BRick before the switch, so as scum I would have to assume that 2 players would change within 1 minute left of the day. Anyone really believing that?

[Gazglum]

The way Lewwyn presented the case against you is quite convincing, so I would appreciate a concise explanation of what the hell were you doing exactly on D1 with all this floundering about.

Floundering about? I disagree that Lewwyn's case is convincing, and moreover it mainly seemed to hinge on me changing tack on Day 2, rather than my behaviour Day 1.

Day 1
> I voted you as a joke
> I talked about the polygraph ability, which I thought got a useful discussion going
> I pointed out that Rowain had done no hunting since his reveal
> I voted Adrien for flimsy and infrequent posts, said that Rowain was my second choice
> I switched to Rowain on the fact that he was voting Novice while attacking Serdoa. This seemed the biggest scum tell to me, at that point.
> I locked my vote in on Rowain, because I wasn't going to be available the last few hours of the day.

What do you consider floundering? How do you see my actions as less coherent than the voters who all jumped on Brick at the end?

[Gazglum]

Serdoa, I agree with what you say. I hadn't really considered Rowain as unscannable godfather, but it could make sense of some things.

[zakalwe]

Zak, were you told anything that makes you confident of code blocking over lockdown?

I was just told that it didn't work. No explicit mention of lockdown, and no explicit mention of code blocking. If you're saying that your message was similarly ambiguous, then it could probably be either one.

I'll need to catch up properly after lunch.

BTW. I don't think that scum will fear tracking. Odds are that it's paired with watching, which is usually better.

[Rowain]

Well BRick had his vote on novice and one could expect him to safe himself.

Maybe you liked BRick as a good mislynch-candidate for the next day once the sensor result came in? Or you preferred a free hand to nightkill zak, novice or Lewwyn instead of having to choose between Goreripper and Bacchus?

[Bacchus]

The way Lewwyn presented the case against you is quite convincing, so I would appreciate a concise explanation of what the hell were you doing exactly on D1 with all this floundering about.

Floundering about? I disagree that Lewwyn's case is convincing, and moreover it mainly seemed to hinge on me changing tack on Day 2, rather than my behaviour Day 1.

Day 1
> I voted you as a joke
> I talked about the polygraph ability, which I thought got a useful discussion going
> I pointed out that Rowain had done no hunting since his reveal
> I voted Adrien for flimsy and infrequent posts, said that Rowain was my second choice
> I switched to Rowain on the fact that he was voting Novice while attacking Serdoa. This seemed the biggest scum tell to me, at that point.
> I locked my vote in on Rowain, because I wasn't going to be available the last few hours of the day.

What do you consider floundering? How do you see my actions as less coherent than the voters who all jumped on Brick at the end?

I think this is good and this all actually made sense to me along about similar lines even at the time, I just wanted to confirm.

Agree with Serdoa and, as I said, my vote since D1 is on AdrienIer. I don't see why I would want to lynch Gaz or Serdoa in these circumstances.