November 16th, 2012, 02:14
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(November 15th, 2012, 15:59)NobleHelium Wrote: WEST IS LEFT AND EAST IS RIGHT OK ITS NOT HARD
THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS.
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November 16th, 2012, 12:00
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The silence here is deafening sometimes...
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November 17th, 2012, 09:13
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(November 16th, 2012, 12:00)kalin Wrote: The silence here is deafening sometimes...
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AAHHHHHHHHHH THAT ORACLE WAS OURS!!!! OURS PRECIOUSSSSSSSS! 
November 17th, 2012, 15:13
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For some reason it amuses me that we didn't see CivPlayers landing the Oracle coming...
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!
"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
November 17th, 2012, 17:22
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How did we not see it coming? We re-wrote the entire micro plan to finish Oracle a turn sooner, because we knew we were in a race with them. We predicted the exact techs that they would be researching (Priesthood, Writing) and which tech they would take with the Oracle (Code of Laws). Sure, we can't predict the exact turn on which the Oracle would be built, since we have no vision of the capital in question or any idea how they managed their build queue. But I'd argue we did an amazing job of sniffing out exactly what was going on, with a team who we have never met at any point in time.
Was this post intended to be sarcastic (?)
November 17th, 2012, 17:31
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(November 17th, 2012, 17:22)Sullla Wrote: How did we not see it coming? We re-wrote the entire micro plan to finish Oracle a turn sooner, because we knew we were in a race with them. We predicted the exact techs that they would be researching (Priesthood, Writing) and which tech they would take with the Oracle (Code of Laws). Sure, we can't predict the exact turn on which the Oracle would be built, since we have no vision of the capital in question or any idea how they managed their build queue. But I'd argue we did an amazing job of sniffing out exactly what was going on, with a team who we have never met at any point in time.
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This!
November 17th, 2012, 17:47
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(November 17th, 2012, 15:13)antisocialmunky Wrote: For some reason it amuses me that we didn't see CivPlayers landing the Oracle coming...
(November 17th, 2012, 17:22)Sullla Wrote: Was this post intended to be sarcastic (?)
I think the amusing part was supposed to be us not being able to divine the Oracle being built. Because we didn't have an Oracle. That's my most charitable interpretation, anyway.
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November 17th, 2012, 17:55
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Yeah, I wrote several long posts analysing exactly how many hammers CivPlayers would require to finish the Oracle on different turns, and how they could get those hammers.
Look at the tech path of CivPlayers: they were on an Oracle->CoL beeline almost from the start. Every single one of their techs but Mining is on that path. They needed to research a total of 1,098 beakers to reach their Oracle target, inclusive Mining.
We took a much more ambitious tech target. We researched 1,368 beakers before we even started on our key enabling tech, which would require an additional 450 beakers. We didn't start thinking about the Oracle until we had finished another wonder 12 turns ago. And we came within 1t of causing a coin-flip!
Maybe we should have skipped the Oracle. Maybe we should have chosen a less ambitious tech target. But in doing so wouldn't have been Realms Beyond. We would have taken the easy path to victory, instead of seeking other and greater challenges. I think Novice, Sevenspirits, and Noblehelium should be proud of their micro planning here, and the rest of the team should be proud over how we managed to execute our opening.
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November 17th, 2012, 22:59
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(November 17th, 2012, 17:55)kjn Wrote: Maybe we should have skipped the Oracle. Maybe we should have chosen a less ambitious tech target. But in doing so wouldn't have been Realms Beyond. We would have taken the easy path to victory, instead of seeking other and greater challenges. I think Novice, Sevenspirits, and Noblehelium should be proud of their micro planning here, and the rest of the team should be proud over how we managed to execute our opening.
+1. If the plan had worked, it would have been awesome, and would have given us a huge lead. Now we'll have to work harder, but I still like our odds.
November 18th, 2012, 02:04
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(November 17th, 2012, 17:47)novice Wrote: (November 17th, 2012, 15:13)antisocialmunky Wrote: For some reason it amuses me that we didn't see CivPlayers landing the Oracle coming...
(November 17th, 2012, 17:22)Sullla Wrote: Was this post intended to be sarcastic (?)
I think the amusing part was supposed to be us not being able to divine the Oracle being built. Because we didn't have an Oracle. That's my most charitable interpretation, anyway.
Yeah basically that. I guess I missed that discussion, forgive me, I've only really been reading the tracking thread and the first one or 2 pages of the discussion thread. :\
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!
"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
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