Diplo with Gilllette

[plako]

My bad. Read it too fast and thought it was 3W1S from BM. Yeah we should accept this.

[plako]

Sent them this:

Great. We've a deal.

Concerning your further questions I'll discuss with the team, but personally I'm ok with opening trade routes without right of passage and warning you few turns beforehand. It would be good, if you would do the same.

We don't know about M3's plans concerning marble site. However it seems to be positioned between us behind the lake so it probably would be a quite a reach for them to settle.

So are we ok with OB and warning them concerning our settlement plans?

[zakalwe]

I'm fine with open borders, with a no scouting clause. Better that they trade with us than with the GLH team. Although, we are last in turn order, and apparently that is bad, in this context (and almost every other context).

And wow, their border will be a nightmare to defend (for them). That should bode well for future negotiations, too, or if they outtech us and we need to take action.

I think we could tell them that the ivory city is bumped a ways down our priority list now that we've got a diplomatic agreement. Nevertheless, we will try to give them ample warning.

Maybe this:

Our team agrees to open borders for trade routes. (I.e., no right of passage.) A connection by road seems like the best solution; for example, if you make a road on your side of the border that connects to the deer tile, we can hook up there.

Now that we've got a diplomatic agreement, we may be able to push the ivory city a little bit down our priority list. There is another ivory in reach, and we might decide to go there instead (even if the terrain is worse), depending on negotiations with TEAM. At any rate, we'll try to give you ample warning when we do decide to settle the ivory city.

You should also know that our copper city is likely to expand its borders before too long (T80-ish). It was our second city, and will also be getting a library at some point. So you probably don't want to delay your city SE of the sheep for too long.

[pling]

Not sure I'm keen on hinting that we could be talked out of the Ivory site ... just tell them it's not the next city now we've an agreement & we'll give them warning?

I'm fine with OB without RoP.

[zakalwe]

Not sure I'm keen on hinting that we could be talked out of the Ivory site ... just tell them it's not the next city now we've an agreement & we'll give them warning?

I'm fine with OB without RoP.

I didn't try to hint about that. Don't really want to commit to "not our next city" in case someone snipes the pyramids.

[pling]

Not sure I'm keen on hinting that we could be talked out of the Ivory site ... just tell them it's not the next city now we've an agreement & we'll give them warning?

I'm fine with OB without RoP.

I didn't try to hint about that. Don't really want to commit to "not our next city" in case someone snipes the pyramids.

This sentence: "There is another ivory in reach, and we might decide to go there instead (even if the terrain is worse), depending on negotiations with TEAM." reads to me like they could persuade us to just settle the other Ivory.

Maybe just remove that sentence?

[zakalwe]

Yeah, or say "first" instead of "instead".

[novice]

Let's just agree to let them know when we know when we'll settle the ivory city, and say it won't be for the next ten turns, and probably a lot later now that we've got a deal.

Let's not mention BM culture just yet, don't want to give them buyer's remorse or make them think we fooled them. Bring it up in a few turns and offer to trade the ivory spot for us settling on the marble.

We really got a great deal here. :D

[zakalwe]

Good points, Novice. I agree.

[plako]

Sent them just this:

Our team agrees to open borders for trade routes. (I.e., no right of passage.) A connection by road seems like the best solution; for example, if you make a road on your side of the border that connects to the deer tile, we can hook up there.

We'll let you know when we're ready to settle ivory city. It won't be within next 10 turns.