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[Lord Parkin]

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[Lewwyn]

I'm fine with super high deity level. I'll just shout the maintenance down in our cities.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Sounds like a good idea.

To me, that sounds like a terrible idea. It just makes Inca and India the one right choice come selection time because no civ will be as powerful as them.

Theoretically, everyone would be guaranteed FIN/EXP, FIN/CRE, EXP/CRE, India, or Inca with five teams.

[scooter]

To me, that sounds like a terrible idea. It just makes Inca and India the one right choice come selection time because no civ will be as powerful as them.

Theoretically, everyone would be guaranteed FIN/EXP, FIN/CRE, EXP/CRE, India, or Inca with five teams.

Really? FIN/EXP is impossible under that setup. It's also impossible to pair Inca with EXP, which makes Inca still good but generally less attractive. India is still a really strong choice, but again, you have to pass on both FIN *and* EXP to have it. Is Pacal of China actually much worse than, say, Hatshepsut of India?

[pindicator]

I floated this idea for a pick method to my team, and Mist suggested I open it up for everybody else to weigh in on. It is pretty much a more malleable version of what Krill proposed. Here's what I wrote:

All 5 teams submit either 1 trait or 1 civ they do NOT want to see in the game. These are submitted blindly to the game admin, without any knowledge of what other teams choose to ban. So if all 5 teams choose to ban FIN then we only ban FIN. If the teams choose to ban FIN, EXP, India, Inca, and PRO (cause someone thought the last one would be funny), then we can't have leaders with FIN, EXP, PRO and we can't pick the civs India or Inca.

Then we randomize the order and do a normal snake pick with what is left.

I think the odds are good we end up with FIN banned by more than one team, but then again maybe everybody will think that someone else is going to ban it and they should pick something else that they don't want to go up against. This also influenced my choice of "Khmer only" for WEs, so they are a valid civ option for banning should a team not want to face WEs.

[Lord Parkin]

That also sounds good.

I guess I'm good with anything that restricts choices slightly to make picks a bit less predictable.

[Xenon]

All 5 teams submit either 1 trait or 1 civ they do NOT want to see in the game. These are submitted blindly to the game admin, without any knowledge of what other teams choose to ban. So if all 5 teams choose to ban FIN then we only ban FIN. If the teams choose to ban FIN, EXP, India, Inca, and PRO (cause someone thought the last one would be funny), then we can't have leaders with FIN, EXP, PRO and we can't pick the civs India or Inca.

Then we randomize the order and do a normal snake pick with what is left.

I'm against this.

A team would have to guess what the other teams have submitted and then formulate its own submission. The results could be good (getting all the problematic things banned) or bad (getting 1 or 2 banned, leaving the next best options open). In the worst case, random snake pick would mean that the first two teams get the best things, and the others are left stranded by the bans.

I propose that if we go with a ban, all teams agree/vote on what exactly we want to ban.

(oh yeah, and really ban PRO, it's the most overpowered thing ever that nobody knows about. )

[Lewwyn]

Let's do this suggestion! hehehehehe

[scooter]

An alternative is each team can submit 1 civ and 1 LEADER rather than trait. This works better for the crowd (that I'm mostly in) that would like a very minimalist ban list because they would like to leave as many options on the table as possible.

I still kinda prefer the Inca/India/Fin/Exp thing, but this is a kind of fun idea admittedly.

[plako]

Just my personal opinions.

Over the years we've banned the leader/civ pool most of the time. Therefore I think that also 2nd tier leaders and nations have been played often enough. I suggest either limiting the pool significantly so that we've only roughly bottom half of the civs and nations available or no bans at all. Picking up the of bottom half candidates might be tricky though.

Concerning diplo format I think it should be tied to Tech trading format chosen. If we've full diplo, tech trading would be better totally off. If we limit diplo e.g. to public banter thread or only documented (presented in personal forum) emails, limited tech trading could be ok e.g. the suggested 2 techs per era could work.