New FFH2 PBEM?

[Ellimist]

If that is the latest info (I don't see how it could be, as even now it's been less than 36 hours since Kragroth sent me Turn 22),

The latest info is available here.

As the timestamp on that image shows, it was taken on 4/25 at 1:41 am (UTC-6)

Since then, we've played two turns in two days(21 and 22) before you even realized that we weren't continuing to wait on you.

[Northstar1989]

If that is the latest info (I don't see how it could be, as even now it's been less than 36 hours since Kragroth sent me Turn 22),

The latest info is available here.

As the timestamp on that image shows, it was taken on 4/25 at 1:41 am (UTC-6)

Since then, we've played two turns in two days(21 and 22) before you even realized that we weren't continuing to wait on you.

Bullshit Ellmist. Bullshit.

That was from just before I *re-sent* Turn 21 to the tracker, after I realized it failed to send the first time the night before.

I then did not receive Turn 22 until 5:30 AM yesterday from Kragroth- which is long before my play-window. I told you guys I would NOT play that save after I realized in was not based on my Turn 20 play, and included some MAJOR mistakes made by Old Lion on Turn 20 as a result.

You guys could, at most, have played through Turn 21 and nothing else without skipping me a second time for Old Lion's playing, *AND NOT SENDING ME THE SAVE* until just today (when I FINALLY received Turn 22 from Kragroth- I had only received Turn 21 yesterday). The latest turn I received was Turn 21 at the time I asked you guys to replay 21- therefore if you played Turn 22 and should be on Turn 23, YOU HAD NOT SENT ME THE LATEST SAVE. You cannot blame me for not playing a save I never received.


Stop the nonsense and just replay the Turn 21. It's only one turn you guys had to replay, and you've made it a much bigger deal than it had to be. You could have fixed this by replaying that save in less than the time you've spent arguing and refusing to do so... And once again, you dug yourselves into this situation in the first place by approving of cracking my password and going with saves derived from that.


Regards,
Northstar

[Northstar1989]

Also, NO WAY IN HECK I am playing the Turn 22 Kragroth sent me today. Rather than just re-playing Turn 21, you guys played through Turn 22 and ignored my request- and the turn Old Lion played PERPETUATED the same mistakes he made on Turn 20, rather than correcting those that were still within his power. I already told him what mistakes he made, and he knew how to fix them, and yet he ignored me when he later played Turn 21- so this is 100% his fault and not mine (even if we were to have proceeded with the mistakes he made on Turn 20, I *TOLD* Old Lion what was wrong and he knew how to fix them on Turn 21- instead he actually made them worse...)


Please replay Turn 21. I am NOT going to lose simply because Old Lion is apparently unwilling to follow my directions for what needs to be fixed on MY save on the PBEM that *I* started in the first place and you guys (illegally) cracked the password for...


Regards,
Northstar

[Northstar1989]

I have asked Old Lion, to respectfully, stop playing any additional turns until you guys go back and replay Turn 21.

You guys had no right to jack my password. You have even less right to ignore the saves I said I would be sending on only an hour or two after my normal play window (and I would have double-checked my e-mail to the tracker, and actually sent it successfully, if I had not been so upset over you guys hacking my password less than an hour earlier that night), I gave no written indication I would be unable to play the saves (I, in fact, only missed one day before you cracked my password due to my internet being down), and I said I was sending along a turn I had played myself less than an hour after the save was played by Old Lion.

You could have EASILY looked at the saves and posts on Saturday morning, seen that the save I promised had not been sent, asked about it (at which point I would have realized the e-mail failed to send to the tracker, as I did after my morning work shift that day...), and waited until I sent the save played by me that afternoon (as I ended up doing anyways). You would not have had to replay any turns at all, and we would have never faced this issue.


Instead, you guys cracked my password, played a save from Old Lion (despite my telling you I had a save of my own on the way), played another save derived from that where he played my turn again even though you at this point already had the original save played by me in your hands, and still refused to go back to the save I told you was on the way only 20-30 minutes after Old Lion played my cracked save (I told you guys at between 11 PM and midnight on Friday that I would be playing the save myself). This behavior from you guys is disrespectful, rebellious (against the authority I *should* have as the person who *started* this PBEM), and wrong.


Please go back and play the Turn 21 save I have sent along THREE TIMES now. Then I will play my Turn 21 today, you can re-play Turn 22 as well, I will play my Turn 22, and we can proceed to Turn 23 (the only alternative is for me to plat Turn 22 immediately, with two turns of BIG mistakes by Old Lion compounded in...)


Regards,
Northstar

[Kragroth]

Well, I have a new save I can play. Can I have any hint of how long I'm supposed to wait before playing ?

From memory North's playing window was 6 -8 pm central time. So after 8 central I think.

[Old_Lion]

just now I wait for the discussion to end.

At Northstar request I stopped doing anything.
I'll do that until things settle or I receive new instruction.

After 8pm central is very late for me. I'm at GMT+2 so it means after 1 am.
I have 2 windows actually, so it means I can lay in the morning around 7am (2am central time)

[Dreylin]

With all due respect to Northstar, and as an outside observer, it seems to me that the rest of the players need to make a definite choice in this game: 1) boot Northstar completely or 2) step back and allow Northstar to play his civ.

Half measures have created confusion and discord and have placed Old Lion in a very awkward position.

In Northstar's favour is that he is now no longer subject to the other games that he previously had on his plate; against is an unreliable track record and an unfortunate lack of a way to give advanced notice of missing play windows (i.e. lack of data plan on cell phone).

I think it would be good for Northstar to reiterate his current play window to avoid confusion for the other players; I know that his situation has changed recently, but I do not recall seeing an explicit posting of expected play times.

[Kragroth]

North,

We voted. We are not replaying the turns. This decision is final.

If you continue to complain about this, give us a hard time, and refuse to play the turn, then I am going to vote that you are removed from the game!

This is my final warning on this issue. Do not post how this is unfair. Do not post that I don't have the right to do this. Do not post that you will not play the save given to you. Do not post anything that I might perchance intepret to be one of the former. You have more than used up the goodwill given to you.

I repeat. This is my final warning.

[Saruman the Foolish]

Northstar, I've mostly stayed out of this due to mixed feelings and I'm sorry your password was cracked. That really sucks. But the issue here is that the game has been stagnating for a while now. And since we've already played turn 22, I think it's unreasonable to ask everybody to replay turn 21 (not as bad as when you said turn 20 but still). 2 turns normally wouldn't be a big deal but it is almost 10% of all the total turns we've taken since we started MONTHS ago. And while you say old lion made "MAJOR mistakes", you need to step back and reevaluate that statement. It's turn 20. You're not moving around a diverse army for a massive invasion. You're moving a citizen tile for 2 turns and a scout/warrior. These are not game changing mistakes. I'm sorry but just accept that it stinks and move on. This isn't going to change whether you win or lose in this game. You're going to have to suck this one up and simply communicate better with old lion in the future. So stop holding everyone up and play turn 22

[Northstar1989]

North,

We voted. We are not replaying the turns. This decision is final.

If you continue to complain about this, give us a hard time, and refuse to play the turn, then I am going to vote that you are removed from the game!

This is my final warning on this issue. Do not post how this is unfair. Do not post that I don't have the right to do this. Do not post that you will not play the save given to you. Do not post anything that I might perchance intepret to be one of the former. You have more than used up the goodwill given to you.

I repeat. This is my final warning.

KRAGROTH- STOP.

You are NOT IN CHARGE here.

This is my PBEM, I started it. You cannot come in and make ultimatums in somebody else's game. What's more, you can't go around removing somebody else from their own game. If you have control over the duel tournament (because you started it) and Q has control of EitB39 (because he started it), then I have control here.

You unwillingness to accept the fact that I have authority over my own game, not you, shows a lack of respect for anyone's authority besides your own.

You committed an illegal act in hacking a password that I use for a number of different secure things, and then on top of that you go about trying to force me to accept a turn somebody else played for my civ in my own game.

I have the right to remove YOU from this game- as it is my game, Kragroth. Keep it up and I'll have to ask that YOU leave. I have the same dictatorial powers here as you do in the duel tournament, this is not a democracy.


I've tried to be gentle about this. I've tried to persuade. You guys have just continued to go with saves from a hacked save, instead of using the save I played myself. You would not have had to replay a single turn if you had just listened to me when I told you I would be sending a save onwards shortly on Friday night after you hacked my password- now two turns will have to be replayed.


Moderators, please be aware that this is not Kragroth's game- it is mine. Even if he states he is removing me from it, he has no authority to do so. So no deleting of my lurker thread, etc. is within his authority...



Please, just replay the turn already guys. Old Lion has botched the turns he played badly- and it's not fair to ask me to continue to go with those. He has moved units where I explicitly warned him not to move them (even before you hacked my password- when I was discussing with him what he would do if he took over a turn...) and is placing them in great danger as a result. He has made illogical decisions with civics I can find no justification for. And he has worked clearly suboptimal tiles with my capital's citizens. I refuse to play with any save derived from his playing of those turns.


You have all wasted much more time arguing about this than it would have taken just to do the right thing- which would be to respect the sanctity of my password and my authority as the person who started this PBEM, and just replay the now two turns (which would have never been required if you had listened to me in the first place).


Regards,
Northstar