Mooooooo.... wait, wrong animal. Neeeigghhh

[Square Leg]

I think so unfortunately. I'm going to have a chat with serdoa when I can but as iskender suggests, if he does have a job lot of SoK's he could be in a pretty strong position. He can take IND as his next trait and revolt to god king for a pretty big boost in hammers whilst cashing them in.

I would quite like to play it out to give serdoa the satisfaction of the win. I think he deserves it.

[Square Leg]

Where is the miffed smiley?

T131

Who cares....

So what?

T132

Whatever.....

Hey Serdoa,

Been doing some calculations and I think you have this one sewn up before the NAPs end... Congratulations if it is true - you really just outplayed us all securing those NAPs and then using the time to get the ToM! I have seen quite a lot of SoK roaming around and Iskender did some pretty detailed analysis - it is in our thread for when we call this.

If it isn't gong to be long until you are done then I am more than happy to continue playing to let you get the actual victory rather than calling it off. I hate it when people do that and I'm sure you would love to get a chance to cash in all those SoK's once you are IND and in GK! ;-)

Cheers,
SL

Hey SL,

you are right about the ToM. I think I'll actually finish it T140, maybe T142, but that should be the latest - if I didn't get any of my math wrong that is. I think - from what I read - most players believe that a ToM or culture victory happens earliest around T180 (on a non-cooked map) so at the time we discussed the NAPs nobody expected me to build it that early.

You are also right I'd be happy to play those few turns out. As for cashing in the SoK: No GK needed, I tested it already and it does not work on them. I expect the same is true for IND. Basically they are small GE and those also give a fixed amount of hammers (I think only pop does change it slightly in case of GE, but SoK always give 30 hammers). But I have enough that neither GK nor IND is needed.

Thanks for playing on and even more for not breaking the NAP SL. I wrote in my thread that I don't expect you to break it and I am happy that I was right about that

Kind regards,

Well done Serdoa!!!!

That is just a phenominal time for completing the ToM. When we signed a NAP to t150 I don't think either of us thought you would be able to complete the tower before then.

I will continue to play the turns to give him the actual win.

[Brian Shanahan]

Yeah hats off to Serdoa. That was some nicely finessed diplomacy to get to the tower.

[Iskender]

T142, very fast indeed. Even if we've broken the NAP it wouldn't have mattered.

[Square Leg]

Started a GA and Sorcery is due in 2t. Carto after that and then we just pump military......... for fun..........